Apologies – now fixed!

It reminds of another 3D platformer that tried and failed to be the next big hit, Napple Tale for the Dreamcast. It also has a main character that is a could from the real world that gets isekai’d into a world of metaphor to help them process things and mature. Except this one also covers topics of death and loss pretty unashamedly.

Napple Tale is actually fantastic though, it has a beautiful almost ghibli like art style, music by Yoko Kanno, and really engaging characters. I highly recommend trying it, though the only way to play it in English is with a fan patch.

Leon has regret because we totally forgot to talk about NegCon.
Apologies to all fans of the twisty controller.

Sorry if you mentioned it, I fell asleep to the podcast 🙂

The chalice dungeons are something I’ve only ever tackled in pursuit of the Platinum trophy in Bloodborne, but perhaps I’ll give them a better look on a future playthrough.

So if the only two GP games you played that month were 30 hours on Dead Space and 30 hours on Forza Horizon 5 with a $20 subscription then you “spent” $10 on each. Exactly what drew you to Game Pass is irrelevant. It’s possible you signed up to play through the Halo collection and were sidetracked by DS and Forza — but intention doesn’t create a meaningful data point, only what you play, and the hours played/month on GP titles speak for themselves.

Hi, thanks for commenting!
As I recall we discussed some of that (possibly not the trademark element) in the extended Patreon cut of the podcast, which was 32 minutes longer: https://www.patreon.com/posts/quake-ii-cane-no-125603162

Since fixed!

We love to do shmups too! Keep us updated on yours.

Still working on my own Shmup so can’t wait to hear your thoughts on this.

I’ll get on that patreon 🙂

You sure do! Welcome along!

Great! Don’t forget though, each podcast comes out a whole month earlier via our Patreon.
This Dragon’s Crown show is extended by over 20 minutes too: https://www.patreon.com/posts/dragons-crown-no-79628079

Not at the moment. We’ll have a word with Chris.

Best of luck with the project, Daryl!

Hey, Specter. Sorry that Our Josh harshed your buzz on this one, but here’s the thing about that: We absolutely don’t always know whether or not everyone on the panel will like a game or not when we put the schedule together, that’s the most important thing to note. People put themselves forward for games they are interested in playing, not necessarily ones that they already know that they are going to be positive about. Besides, Leon’s qualms about W101 were aligned quite closely to Josh’s issues with the game.

Secondly, the one criticism we get more than any other about the format of the Cane and Rinse podcast is that we have too many shows where everyone agrees with one another. You can’t please all of the people all of the time, as the old saying goes. What are the chances that you’ll always agree with everyone about any game? Pretty slim we’d suggest. Michiel was utterly effusive in his praise for The Wonderful 101, giving it a place on his epic shelf. So if you aligned with him, that’s cool, right?

Ha, very cool, very Jeff.

Great stuff, thank you Marc!

A few things…

Tepest 4000 is now out on the Switch and has been done by Llamasoft, not a third party. I thought it was worth buying an OLED Switch for. It’s not quite as good as TxK in my opion, but does mean I can put away my OLED Vita.

Giles has hinted some of the Minatur Project games will be coming to the Switch soon (sounds like Gridrunner and Goat up. But no TATE mode).

As you said, the iOS games are gone. You can get Android versions here for free (with the dontate suggestion):

http://www.minotaurproject.co.uk/Minotaur/donate.php

Gridrunner, 5 a day, Goat Up and Caverns of Minos all work fine on my Android 11 device (Surface Duo) – SuperOxWars doesn’t.

I was surprised you did so little on the homebrew, it could be a whole episode alone.

PLEASE checkout YASI and Protector. Only $22 here…

https://www.packratvg.com/vprotyasi.html

Protector is an amazing Defender clone. The original release is like gold dust, but it’s easily available above and download. It had a hidden game YASI, Yet Another Space Invaders, which isn’t hidden on the above.

Stunning bits of work that standout for me, but there is pleny great out there and more coming. eg Vryzon looks like a great SHMUP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5vKjatT5KI

Amazing! So cool, thanks for sharing.

I really like the introduction at the start, it ties in with how relationships dull because the memories and feelinhs become simplified over time so we could cope.

Davey couldnt cope and it ruined his relationship with Coda. Your analysis on the events of this game are very clear and I like the writing style you have.

And at the end with you stating Davey may be able to come to terms with himself is beautiful, a wonderful conclusion.

Yeah, I really like your essay.

One love

I would love you to do another Christmas Special episode this year if you get chance as I really enjoyed your last one

Thanks Daryl! Yes, a few of us have Hotshot Racing, in fact we interviewed its creators in this very podcast: https://caneandrinse.com/hotshot-racing/

Love your podcast 🙂 if yoy like Daytona try Hotshot Racing, its currently 2.49 thereabouts on PS4, it even has the Daytona slot machine 🙂

What it doesnt have is Daytooooonaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Just a quick note on Majima – you’re right in saying he’s not completely mad. The Mad Dog is just a persona he puts on after the events of Yakuza 0. After being manipulated in that game, he vowed to never let that happen again and to have more fun than anyone else.

The inspiration for his Mad Dog persona comes from 3 characters in Y0 – Nishitani, who prioritised thrills and pleasure above all else, Lee who used his strength and skills to protect those he cared about, and Sagawa who Majima described as damn near immortal (and he was also quite fearless).

Beneath that persona is the sharp, intelligent and capable man we met in Yakuza 0. He acts as if he’s fuelled by pure chaos, but in reality he’s probably the smartest guy in the room at any given time. So yeah, Leah’s right, he’s kinda terrifying

Thanks for the insight, TiBirD!

To answer something that came up in the cast: Netquake is the original netcode for the game that everyone started out with. Lag with stuck players was a regular feature of life on our dial-up modems.
At the very end of 1996, Quakeworld – an overhauled TCP/IP netcode – was released. It added prediction code. On the one hand, it made online games feel smoother for slow connections, but on the other – that thing you just saw happen (such as someone being right in front of you as you pulled the trigger), sometimes did not, as the actual inputs of the other player finally arrived over the network.

While the feel of the networking code is a matter of taste, the major sin is that both codes were available simultaneously, but not compatible with one another. This resulted in a split player base which possibly reduced the lifespan of the game (in later years it became progressively harder to find populated servers – a problem that would have probably been delayed with a singular player base).

Thank you for the kind words. Sound of Play may return in some form, some day in the future.

Thank you all so much for the wonderful tunes and thoughtful discussions!

I’m sure you and many others are far more knowledgeable than me with FF7 and its systems, the only reason I fought the Zolom so early on, was to try and cross the Marshes quicker and to give myself a challenge 😉 The smarter idea is to go to the Chocobo Farm first I feel 😉

Counter Attack is an awesome piece of Materia and definitely helped with some of the latest boss battles in the game. I gave mine to Barret, since he is pretty tanky and he seemed more the ‘natural tank’ if you know what I mean.

When I replayed it last year I gave Cloud Counter Attack early on and built him as a tank. Towards the latter parts he was so good and Counter Attack so effective I had to take it off him to give other characters the chance to kill and level up their Limits!

Thank you for writing it! Part 2 to come soon.

I just want to throw one last track recommendation in, check out the version of Dearly Beloved used in Melody of Memories, it’s just so delightfully jazzy.

I’ve bookmarked Wayo Records site as i’m sure to be ordering directly from them at some point. I always prefer to buy direct from brave entrepreneurs to show support for their efforts.

Should this help anyone, the Sega Shop UK stocks Wayo Records’ Sega (big surprise) game soundtracks. Its where i bought all mine last year.

Happy listening!

Now Leon, you were a tad insulting in this episode. Its your show, so i guess thats your perogative, but thats not a very inclusive approach. I come here for the ordinarily apolitical output.

However, since you started it, allow me to redress the balance. Firstly by apologising to everyone for the remain campaign’s inability to formulate arguments compelling enough to convince more than 48% of the electorate that membership of the European Federal Project was a good thing for the UK, and secondly, for some leave voters’ subsequent failure to grant losers consent even now, almost 5 years later.

I voted leave and, as the great Edith Piaf sang, “Non, je ne regrette rien”.

Many thanks for the previously tolerant content, but not so much the intolerance and negative generalisations displayed in this swan song show from my podcatcher.

#i-am-not-a-xenophobe

It’s a shame i have to sign off and unsubscribe, but i don’t give my patronage to those who disrespect me and those of my ilk. Welcome to my ban list, please enjoy the company (snuggled inbetween Amazon and NeoGAF).

Best of luck, and may your future endeavors and actions reap commensurate results and reactions.

Bye bye Sound of Play. Hello Super Marcato Brothers, OC Remix & Pixellated Audio.

Stay safe everyone. Auf wiedersehen.

Rob

I’m a huge Sensi fan (console – Mega Drive) and it was really nice to hear I wasn’t alone in my childhood love for this game. Really brought back some memories and made me chuckle!

Console edition – Definitely had three buttons (shoot, kick, pass) as opposed to the Amiga/Commodore versions. I much preferred it but I know I’m definitely in the minority there.

Ha, I’d kind of forgotten the ‘Geek Night’ moniker! Thanks for the feedback, Hoggins.

Can confirm that my PS2 still gets regular use, particularly for Monster Buzz, the excellent party game using the buzz controllers.

Also worth noting that when playing regular Buzz, you can plug in to sets of controllers and have 8 player local action. Can’t think of many other games or consoles that offer that. Or at least pre using phones as controllers.

I notice Leon avoided giving the legendary PES sessions their proper name of “Geek Night”

The main purpose of the article was to try and sway people to give Linux a shot. If even one person who reads the article decides to test drive Linux, I would be so delighted! It really is a beautiful operating system, runs amazingly well and it is great if you are a privacy-focused person.

Thank you very much to Leon and Jay for editing and publishing the article. It always makes me overjoyed to see my (amateur) work here and I hope everyone enjoys reading it.

Also Joshua, I think we are about the same age (I recently turned 30 too). 😉

Thanks for the feedback, Michael!

Interestingly Star Renegades, which just came out, has a similiar approach to canonical failure where each time you lose you’re going to a different alternate universe.

I have the game myself and need to get around to finishing it. Whenever I do play it, I rename all of the pilots and mechs after Pacific Rim characters. 😉

As a gamer in my mid-40’s, I don’t have a ton a friends that share the hobby. Therefore, one of the things I truly take enjoyment from is playing narrative-focused games, and then listening to 5-7 different podcasts discussing that story. In the case of choice-driven narratives, I find it even more fascinating to hear how other peoples’ stories turn out and how things can branch and come back together. For Quantic Dream games (and often Telltale as well), these podcasts can be absolutely fascinating. The best of them have 2-3 podcasters who each went through the game once, and they go bit-by-bit talking through the story and their individual experiences and comparing them (I would highly suggest checking out “Story Players #026” for a good example). This tact is interesting and organically reveals how different your individual experience may have been from others’. Unfortunately, the Caine and Rinse version couldn’t have been further from this. I didn’t go through the timestamps, but in listening, it felt like the first 75% of the podcast was ranting about David Cage, including the requisite 10-minute rant from Jay about how much he hates the guy for being self-important, etc. during interviews (which is literally the same rant he has done on every Quantic Dream podcast). It basically wasn’t until the very end when they actually started talking about the story and game – which then just felt rushed and tacked-on, and barely scratched the surface of what they actually experienced.

Before I am accused of being a fanboy, I couldn’t agree more that Quantic Dream games are often poorly-written messes. Particularly, the depiction in Detroit is so blunt and face-slapping that it is borderline comical. The studio clearly brainstormed every shred of oppression-related imagery and decided they needed to weave each one into their story. By the time they got to the Concentration Camp scene, it was all I could do keep from laughing – clearly not because of the subject matter itself, but because it was so contrived and shoehorned that I couldn’t believe they felt it was STILL necessary to make sure that the player understood they were drawing parallels to actual human history. Thankfully they somehow had enough restraint to skip evoking water cannons and the Trail of Tears. I did not love the game myself. I think there are a ton of places it could have been made better and deserves whatever criticism it gets. The gameplay and controls are imprecise during QTE’s to the point of frustration, the plot has some ridiculous holes that make the “reveal” of the child being a robot complete nonsense, and often the dialogue is stunted and incredibly unnatural. If I were on a podcast, I could lay these out in great detail. However, my criticisms would be focused on the game itself – I could go through every issue in context of the game and narrative choices, and I wouldn’t constantly feel the need to circle it back to David Cage.

Quantic Dream as a studio is also problematic. There is certainly no issue with talking about (what appears to be) a toxic culture at the company and dubious working conditions. These things need to be brought to light and fixed. They should be brought up in podcasts covering their games to make sure there is awareness in the larger group of players and fans. That said, when you decided to cover the game, you’ve already made the value judgement that the game is worth playing and discussing – and the vast majority of the commentary/criticism should then focus on the actual game. If you are so opposed to the studio itself (and its CEO), then the real strong move would be just to not play it, and certainly not use it to produce your own content – and therefore convince your own fans to purchase and play the game themselves. To draw a parallel, Randy Pitchford has become a similarly problematic figure in games. However, if I download a podcast purported to cover Borderlands 3, and it just ends up being 90 minutes of covering what an ass Pitchford is, I can’t imagine any podcast downloader feeling served by that tact.

Specifically for Jay – if you’re just playing Cage games to shit on him during a podcast, just stop. It really comes off as the height of internet snark and I really want it to be below you. You clearly come into Quantic Dream games dripping with vitriol and negativity, and it shows. People download and listen to the podcast to hear people talk about the GAME, not about your sad vendetta against the developer due to some E3 talk a decade ago (or whatever it was that originally sparked your ire). Do yourself a favor, and everyone else, and just skip the Quantic Dream games. If your self-loathing is so high that you can’t bring yourself to do that, at least skip the podcast so we don’t need to be subject to it.

In general I still consider myself a fan of Caine and Rinse. I enjoy how you cover games that are both lauded and derided, and seem to come to your own independent opinions and conclusions. I like podcasts that have different views from my own as they can either challenge or solidify my own feelings. That’s what makes your Quantic Dream podcasts stand out so much. After listening, I feel like I still don’t know what you feel about the game, but I just know for sure that you don’t like David Cage.

Fixed! Many thanks for the heads-up.

3. Da cu arcu by Subcarpati – Yaga, 2019

D? cu arcu’ by Subcarpa?i – Yaga, 2019

Now the big question…when will MHW get the Cane and Rinse treatment? Eh?? Eh???

Thanks again,

Sam

Hi Bill, thanks for the passionate feedback. I wasn’t on this one and I haven’t listened to it yet as I’m still in the process of completing the game. What I will say is that it’s a real change for us to be accused of not being political (or ‘SJW’) enough!

Also, I don’t think anyone who was on this show will mind if I describe each of them as heavily left-leaning. Perhaps (as is my experience with the game so far, 90% of the way through), their reading of the game’s (or its creators’) own politics didn’t tally with your perception.

It’s worth pointing out too that this show was scheduled back in December, ahead of the pandemic – and the podcast was in fact recorded 10 days before the Michigan Courthouse incident.

And we would absolutely have included correspondence around your political perception and opinion of the game in the show. Had you contributed to the forum thread ahead of recording, we could have included a considered (and likely sympathetic) discussion on the matter.

Gripes aside? Good content, good discussion? I like it overall? Thanks again for putting out quality content?

But the same fan may remind you of something else: Dreamcast was a console ahead of its time. And he would be absolutely right: commercial success, after all, is not always a sign of lasting impact. In the case of the device, its influence has been running underground since 1999 among fans, developers and creatives. Taking advantage of the 20 years since the launch of Dreamcast in the West, we remember some of the great ideas launched by Sega that are still alive today – you just need to look elsewhere.

Starting with:
Shenmue (1999) x Yakuza Remaster Collection (2019)

Shenmue, developed by studio AM2 (Sega’s creative heart) under the baton of designer Yu Suzuki, is perhaps the most curious story of Dreamcast. Much because it was the most expensive game to produce so far, with a projected cost of around 70 million dollars. But it also has the team’s ambition: Shenmue was perhaps the first game to be successful in its mission to put you in someone else’s life, plant your feet on the digital streets and make-believe friendships of the plot. Each character in the game had a different name and different routines, and each day of the game respects the same weather conditions of the same months of 1986 that the plot simulates.

Phantasy Star Online (2000) x Monster Hunter World: Iceborne (2019)
Not only is the combat well done, but there were cool things like obstacles that require group effort to overcome. Everyone at the match needed to work together to proceed, “said a preview of Phantasy Star Online written by the IGN website at the turn of the century. Common place for those who rehearsed some video game games in recent years, but at the time, simple elements like these were innovative – even more if your teammates didn’t even share on the same couch as you. When it was launched in 2000 also by Sega, PSO was the first online RPG for consoles.

Jet Set Radio (2000) x Lethal League Blaze (2018)
If Genesis, PlayStation and Nintendo 64 each took their first steps towards 3D, many Dreamcast titles have chosen to transform the new dimension into art. This is the case of Jet Set Radio, launched in 2000 and whose visuals were a direct translation of street art into games. All the characters are assembled using stark colors and thick, angular outlines, and the game’s virtual Tokyo was a collage of unlikely architecture and clean walls ready for its next graffiti. Not to mention the soundtrack, which hasn’t aged a second.

Tetsuya Mizuguchi
Rez (2001) x Tetris Effect (2018)
Okay, Tetsuya Mizuguchi is a name, not an idea. But the guy has been developing a concept for years that started with Sega at the time of the Dreamcast, and is among one of the most successful insights of his time: synesthesia. Since Rez, Tetsuya has created digital experiences designed to be an interactive sensory explosion, with music, video and gameplay influencing each other.

It is an idea that Tetsuya most recently translated with his version of Tetris, called Tetris Effect. In the process, the designer created perhaps the only moment when we can confess that the classic Russian game was a true lysergic trip.

It’s a pain to duplicate, so I will post a link to my memories of the Dreamcast. Thanks so much for these amazing podcasts, such memories, such depth, love it. Cheers.

Danielle, chill out, fear is the mind killer.

Hi Tom, thanks for the feedback – and congratulations on such great games!

Great hearing everyone’s experiences with the amiga. Never tried one myself so it was awesome to hear the love everyone has for it.

I beat the game at 100% progress which unlocks a secret ending, which I would call the true ending of the game. Completely worth all of the work to get it.

Great game, great podcast!

Like you mention about the addition of some bells and whistles around combo meters and the such, that’s exactly something that I’m hoping is included in the upcoming SoR4 too, something I only thought about the day.

Initially I put off by the ‘lack of’ a Z axis but it doesn’t sound like it misses it.

Any preference to platform performance ?? Did the Switch version hold up ??

The track is A-40 by ZeroCall. It’s from their Struggle Between Right and Wrong album: https://soundcloud.com/zerocall/sets/a-struggle-between-right-or-1

Regards what you were saying about breezing past parts once you gained Crissaegrim, I often think too about the brilliant artwork in games that gets passed over too quickly when you breeze past stuff, you feel like more people should spend more time with it. Its not wasted as such, just deserves more screen time, as often the best detail in art comes out over time spent with it.

Great piece, now I want to play SotN again !

Thanks Dene!

That would have been me, yes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EvbqxBUG_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmIgjAM0uh0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GudeeRVNo5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRA1QTTAxys

Ah, but did they specialise in localisation to Polish rather than from Polish..?

Now, you made excellent points about LA Noire. To the eyes and ears, it is a very pleasing game. The city and how the developers depicted 1940s Los Angeles is simply gorgeous. The music of this era is one of my favorites. You don’t have to be an expert in music to know that this is one of the greater genres of music.

Sadly, that is all the game offers. I found everything else to be so poorly done. While some of the cases you investigate are interesting, the characters don’t make it so. It feels very flat and emotionless. A story line that goes off in tangents that I can’t fathom. However, I am aware that this was part of the time and is very much apart of film noir. It is also very repetitive and offers no real result, especially when you finish the game.

It saddens me because I saw trailers for it immediately after finishing Red Dead Redemption, which at the time I declared greatest game of all time. I was so excited when it came out and I was immediately annoyed by the facial mechanics. It seemed they couldn’t portray the face right. You look at a face that clearly says ‘Truth’, nope it was a ‘lie’.

A plot twist that doesn’t make any sense, for which I mean the affair. The way they painted Cole is he’s a man who will do his best to follow the law and bring everyone to justice because it’s the right thing to do and wants to end the corruption. So he has an affair? Why? First off, he had a family? Since when? They didn’t make any mention of it. If they don’t care to explain that to us and show us what they mean to him, why should we care? Apparently, the writers didn’t care either. I believe they had this plot thread and had no way of making it work so they threw this twist at us and it makes no sense then and still not now.

The driving I rate the same as Grand Theft Auto V, which I didn’t think was very good. The shooting was even worse. Overall and I hated to do this after Red Dead Redemption was so amazing, L.A. Noire is the second worst game I have ever played. Only reason it’s not first because I finished the game. Need For Speed Most Wanted(2012) is the worst after fifteen minutes of playtime. A quick, 3-word sum up of that game, ‘Waste of time.’

Thanks Steve – Kevin is a bit special isn’t he? And a lovely fellow to boot.

Hi Ewan. Certainly there was some conversation around freelancers that took place, but not sure if it made the final edit – possibly only the extended cut on Patreon. I didn’t use freelancers myself but I’m sure some of the others experimented at least.

Leah got the skills.

Hi Danielle. This is a confusing post as I don’t remember what I (or we) said in the show to prompt it, but I’m sure none of us intended to cause any anger or offence.
Thanks for listening to the podcast!

Leon Cox, it does sound right to me. I have my own take on the Rez canon, you have yours, Harmony has hers, everybody has a different theory. Tetsuya Mizuguchi even liked a tweet using the Swayzak nickname.

Now if you excuse me, I’m going to vent out my anger in an 8 player Smash.

Thanks James.

We have an L.A. Noire track on Sound of Play 66 and a Halo 3: ODST piece on Sound of Play 127.
Besides, we encourage all listeners to request their favourites every single show: http://caneandrinse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1124

Sign up and make your picks!

Good spot – thanks Patrick!

Good job on a first-time hosting, too!

Thanks Qhuenta.

Search “interview” on the homepage (via the magnifying glass top right) and you’ll find over 30 more audio interviews!

We’re glad you liked the game, Deckard. Not everyone on the Cane and Rinse team hates Braid, it just turned out the panellists on this particular show didn’t get on with it (apart from Brian).
Obviously though, we can’t guarantee that the opinions of our podcasters will coincide with those of all of our listeners.

We try not to deal in objective or hyperbolic terms like ‘greatest’ and ‘definitely’, but please rest assured that Planescape: Torment is of course one of the 1800 or so games on our big old spreadsheet!

I was surprised just how negative this one came out myself, but each contributor only ever gives an honest account of their experience. Sometimes it just turns out that the panel’s opinions don’t correlate with the consensus.

Well said, and thanks.

Glad you enjoyed the show joyjoy, and thanks for taking the time to feed back.

Thanks SausagE!

Thanks for listening and commenting, Mark. Glad you enjoyed the interview.

That’s right – the word ‘cry’ in the title here refers to cries of anger, aggression and other emotions, not that the gunship is blubbing like a baby!

The Witcher and open world games like that actually work very well for me because they give you a lot of concrete objectives but allow you to tackle them as you choose. More linear experiences work well for me too when I want to veg out and relax my mind – Uncharted is the best series for that, for me.

Thank you Sam!

Ha! We didn’t even consider that! Thank you for the kind words Philip.

Hey no worries SWLM!

You guys at Cane and Rinse are awesome and know what you’re doing. I really wish I never commented.

(Why does anyone listen to music on youtube? It’s like going to a movie theater to read your newspaper projected on the screen. Why go to a video player for non-video content? It’s the least convenient thing to do. It’s madness, IMHO. I never listen to ANYTHING not downloaded to my portable device, on an audio playlist. If some oddball makes their music ONLY available on youtube, I rip the video, extract the audio to mp3, THEN listen to it. Why does ANYONE listen to music on Youtube? WHYYY???)

I like it best when the person who suggested the track provides a blurb about why they love it, which the host reads, then adds whatever ‘Relevant’ thoughts and memories they have, and then play it. Fan Blurb – Host Blurb – Song … Repeat. 3-10 Minutes of ‘RELEVANT’ Talk per 2-5 minutes of music. Most episodes are like that. I only care and comment here because the 100+ episodes up to now have kept me coming back for more and I LOVE what this podcast has been.

… but when the host sounds like they would rather be making a podcast about a different topic (a trend I’ve noticed growing recently), I can’t help but feel like I’d rather be listening to a different podcast.

The single song breakdown is a good idea, and is worth exploring further (Omg, RELEVANT discussion) … I’m just very ‘meh’ on that one Robocop Game theme song, personally. Good Idea. Room for improvement.

The way this is going, by this fall, Sound of Play will become a podcast that only talks about music, but forgets to actually play any sometimes … or just talks with a music producer or guest host about the movies they most recently watched for 50 minutes and call it an episode of Sound of Play.

Excluding Interviews (where a RANGE of music is actually discussed and played), I’d like it if you’d restrict it to no more than 10 minutes of talking MAX, between songs. I listen to the “Sound of Play” podcast to hear the ‘Sounds of Play’ from great Game Soundtracks, and RELEVANT thoughts and memories about them. Not whatever random thing the host feels like talking about Instead. There are 10,000 other Podcasts for that.

The Robocop Theme is not worthy of an entire episode. The Zelda theme, Maybe. The MANY Main Themes of Mario Bros, absolutely. But not this.

Yeah, didn’t think that sounded right!

Rare Replay’s stamps are one heck of a challenge! Well done.

PGR 4 and PGR 2 tie for the best in the series however I completely agree that PGR 2 was and is incredible.

Blame MS for the change in direction of physics – PGR 3 was closer to Forza Motorsports than PGR orginally and MS made Bizarre Creations change the physics. Shame too as FM as stale as 3 month old bread whereas BC could have made Forza Horizon with a lot more fun with the physics and settings.

I don’t understand the ‘I didn’t care for the weather’ when it added so much like standing water that had a major effect on the cars and bikes. An incredible effort for the year (2007).

Gary seemed to go off Bizarre Creations after PGR 3 based on comments about Blur and PGR 4 on his Gameburst show.

MS killed the launch by having Halo release just prior

Brain farts! Don’t worry – he has been admonished.

Thank you Kane – happy to help!

Thank you Alex!

You may be interested in Michiel’s article on the subjectivity of difficulty in videogames: https://caneandrinse.com/the-subjectivity-of-difficulty/

Put it all together and a very bland game is formed.

This will always be a problem in this industry though and it’s one you have to learnt to accept and quickly ignore to find the truly amazing games that surround the exception that is Nintendo.

Thanks Raven, we’re glad you enjoyed it!

Have you had a listen to our previous show with George?
https://caneandrinse.com/sound-of-play-117/

Like you mentioned, this game was amazing when it came out and deserved to be a much bigger success than it was.

Personally I had no interest in Star Wars at the time but when I saw a friend playing this… wow! I had to get a Gamecube. Amazing game and one I remember well.

Cheers.

I just hope that Capcom will make a new Game just as the good old games my suggestion to them to make a game based on this film.

Ha, nice – thanks!

Thanks for your comment and feedback!

“He conserves the values of his ancestors and homeland. And for me, these values are based on imperialism, fascism and supremacy of the Caucasian race.”

Gold.

you ought to have a good look at yourself mate, you’re politics are way out there and most reasonable people will tell you that.

My point was that Nazi sentimentality has no place in a civilized society, regardless of whatever side of the political spectrum you’re on. As Dave mentioned in the comments above, it’s frustrating that the phrase “alt-right” has connotations with otherwise tolerant, if right-leaning, members of society. I would say that if I could write the article again, I would replace the phrase “alt-right” with the correct term for these hateful troglodytes; Neo-Nazis. That way, it might have eliminated the disagreements about the political spectrum and merely concentrated on a gross and hateful subset of people.

I must admit my frustration at the various accusations in these comments, and on occasion I might not have hidden those frustrations particularly well. But I do find it worrying that we continue to argue among ourselves when I believe, as a civilized society, we must unite against those who seek to divide us by our race and religion.

I would encourage all here to discuss their political differences respectfully (and yes, I too am trying to follow this mantra going forward). If somebody knee-jerk accuses you of being an “SJW” or a “Nazi”, they’re rarely worth your debate, and please do try to remember that people who lean the other way from you are not an enemy, nor immediately hostile.
I’m a libertarian centrist who frequently discusses politics with an old school friend – one who happens to be both a staunch Thatcherite and a Tory MP for my local area. He and I have nothing but disdain for each other’s political leanings, but its through discussion that we have come to discuss our differences respectfully and learn that neither of us are malicious, insidious people; if anything, we have developed a great respect for one another.

I believe Cane and Rinse has a great community. Let’s keep it that way and understand that the vast majority of us are united against blanket hatred, regardless of our leanings.

Peace x

really cant argue with that.

bang on, and well said.”

And STEVE, stop licking his balls like a dog. Stand by the things you said.

Good one Ryan 🙂 I really appreciate your comment. I know that not all conservative and traditional people are Nazis, but are drifting more and more towards strong aversion against anything they value not “pure”. And this is the root of it. Cheap propaganda by Internet trolls and the media.
Left or right, i don’t care. Both of run their own scheme.

If other people want to label me something then I’d rather those than certain others, but I think from the content of many of our shows it is apparent that I am (proudly) left-leaning and liberal.

I am also (painfully) aware that other views are available and that there are understandable reasons for that. I ran Ryan’s piece because I felt it was a good fit for our ethos here, but it is worth readers remembering not every contributing author’s opinion expressed in every blog piece we run conforms directly to what all of us podcasters thinks. That wouldn’t even be possible.

Unsurprisingly this piece has already generated more comments than any other piece we have run in six years, but we published it because we thought it was worthwhile and well-written, not because it was clickbait. I realise no-one has accused us of this, but I thought it worth saying anyway.

really cant argue with that.

bang on, and well said.

Why are you so afraid? What do you stand for?

“He conserves the values of his ancestors and homeland. And for me, these values are based on imperialism, fascism and supremacy of the Caucasian race.”

I am no fan of the Tories, but come on, really ffs.

This is why you cant reason with an SJW.

You want a more nuanced view from Cane and Rinse, yet don’t even realize, that you are insulting them of being Commies and “Social Justice Warriors” one sentence later.
There is no nuanced way in this, STEVE. If you are stupid enough to start a campaign against some girls (who by the way took this free PR with open arms and made a lot of money) and have a problem with shooting Nazis in freaking Wolfenstein, then it is very clear to me, what your values and agenda are.

Like i said before, i don’t give a crap about defending some hipsters and their games.
But i know what the NSDAP did in Germany and i know what the Soviets did in the rest of the world. And i know very well, what your knew breed of idiots are doing now.

This s*** you “super race” nonsense d***heads are preaching about killed people then and kills people now, just for being different than your “Herren Rasse”.
Honestly, you people lost your right to have an opinion, because there is no decency left nor a brain to back it up.

You really proved my point STEVE. A fine example of a racist troll.

@R
Hey, thanks for your response. About “conservatives”. What does a “conservative” do? He conserves the values of his ancestors and homeland. And for me, these values are based on imperialism, fascism and supremacy of the Caucasian race.
Maybe you tell your friends that.

Tends to be that the SJW types are long gone and beyond reasonable discussion.

Its just a shame because the podcast is stellar and i really enjoy it; please don’t ruin it with politics, its too divisive as this thread illustrates.

Whilst I think “That Guy” is wrong to claim that Conservatives are a bunch of racists or fascists (I’m not a fan of either, but I have Conservative-voting friends who are certainly *not* Nazis), you’re in absolutely no position to accuse people of saying “you’re a Nazi if you disagree” when you sign off with the assertion that we’re a bunch of “SJW Commies”. The door swings both ways, pal.

When you say you want “a more nuanced view from Cane and Rinse”, you might want to provide one of your own. As it is, you come across as a grown man throwing his toys out of a pram because a website about video games doesn’t share his world view.

Frankly, I am basking gleefully in these angry right-leaning responses. Have any of you stopped and thought; “Hang about, might I be making LESS of a case for my opinion when I bawl like a spoiled teenager?”

This is the problem with SJW’s; they view everything through their own lens, disagree your a Nazi.

I honestly expect a more nuanced view from C&R.

I didn’t realize that Leon and the gang were all SJW Commies.

Well, i am neither left, nor liberal. And especially not whiny.
I am a human being with common sense, who doesn’t give two s**** about Zoe Quinn making a game.
Who cares if she did all the things? If her game is good, go on and play it, if not than don’t.
But starting a f****** campaign to destroy some girls and prove your superiority is ridiculous and shows where your mental health stands.

And by the way, to me, there is no such thing as “right”, “alt-right” or “conservative”.
You guys are a bunch of racist and fascist w******, who think very highly of themselves. With your twisted and disgusting view of this world.
It really makes me sick, to see that my hobby is getting poisoned by scum like you. Even here on CaneAndRinse.
So f*** your insidious simple minded opinion fuelling and your white supremacy.

Thank you Ryan for writing this. I like you guys even more now.

Yup, and thankfully less and less publishers and developers are bowing to SJW/Alt-left pressure by being complete hacks and shoehorning various unnecessary elements into their games for the sake of blatantly pandering to some group or groups of annoying fucking crybabies. This goes both ways.

The less publishers and developers worry about offending children and the more they focus on, not only making good games that WORK but having the balls to stand by their artistic vision and make what they truly want to make; the better games will be and the closer they will be to being actual works of art.