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Re: Videogame News

Post by Todinho » July 10th, 2018, 6:33 pm

You got the right idea man

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Michiel K » July 10th, 2018, 7:46 pm

KSubzero1000 wrote:
July 6th, 2018, 6:45 pm
Stuff like this just makes me sad and reinforces my decision to not participate in social media whatsoever (apart from this here forum, of course). The situation seems to have been handled very poorly, as far as I can tell. I think her tweets were rude and unprofessional, and looking at her feed she seems to have an ideological chip on her shoulder or two, but what does her being fired actually achieve? It didn't have to lead to this particular outcome. What happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt? What happened to simply acknowledging that people have a bad day sometimes? What happened to agreeing to disagree? What happened to generous, measured responses? Why this insistence on framing every exchange as some kind of binary cultural battlefield: "you're either with us or against us"? Why base every exchange on gratuitous labels? Why this widespread assumption that those outside of your inner circle must automatically represent the dregs of humanity by default?

I have no idea how people can think this is somehow normal social interaction between civilized adults. Nothing but toxicity, resentment, cruelty, tribalism and mutual radicalization as far as the eye can see. How can a simple, honest statement cause such overreaction and lead to someone being fired? I don't get it. :(
Wholeheartedly agreed, man. Sure, she shouldn't have went off at the guy the way she did, but the e-mail bombing and successful (!) calls for resignation over it and the further escalating shitshow. It's all proper disgusting.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Stanshall » July 10th, 2018, 9:08 pm

Totally agree with everything K says there. It's the worst of the Internet and contemporary discourse, unfortunately.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by macstat » July 13th, 2018, 10:11 am

But isn't Jessica Price in this moment also the worst of the internet? Why no one seems to care about people who were affected by it in the first place like Deroir or INKS (yes she managed to insult multiple GW2 content creators who were nothing but respectful). Common decency should work both ways.

I also disagree with reductionist view that "community pressured ANET and they caved". There are at least a couple of probable ways it all unfolded.
Maybe that meeting next day didn't went well. As far as I can tell she wasn't very reflective about this whole debacle, and her only regret was "maybe instead of an asshat I should say condescending jerk".
Maybe she was already "on way out" but they didnt have enough reason to let her go. As Subzero pointed out she has a chip on her shoulder and has a history of smearing former employers (she tweeted about Piazo where she worked as an editor). That and her strong stance on many sensitive in this time topics might make her not so easy to work with.
Or maybe Mike O'Brien is as some describe him, not very empathetic, quiet and too rigid. There was the similar situation a while back (can't remember the exact date) where ANET employee Josh Foreman had an altercation with a fan on twitter/forum. He was removed from front facing duties for a year or two and anet worked with him on how to handle those things better. At the time Colin Johanson was game director, very friendly and open person (one of founders who left company in 2016). So current situation might be just Mikes decision and assuming its all based on bunch of trolls is just an assumption.

I should give a disclaimer that I'm part of said community. I've been playing GW2 since its launch, I try to keep up with both forum and Reddit, listen to a couple of podcasts and engage said community and creators on twitch and such. My experience is nothing like what Flabyo describes. Sure if you focus on a couple of troll posts. But huge chunk of the community shares my view on this whole issue.
Jessica was at fault and shouldn't attack Deroir like that. But she (and ESPECIALLY PETER FRIES who did nothing wrong, he stood up for his coworker in very polite and respecful manner) shouldn't lose a job over this (maybe something like what happened to Josh Foreman would be a better solution). This doesn't help anyone, this isn't a win or something we should celebrate. But I will strongly oppose to superficial branding community as toxic because this is the same binarism you guys try to reject. This again serves no purpose and only creates more divides instead of creating a healthy platform for communication.

I just want to let you know that I'm trying to disregard toxic behavior that obviously took place. This is a huge issue not only in gaming but in any form of digital communication. We as a humanity are in a place where any sort of intellectual/spiritual/ethical growth (or whatever you wanna call it) haven't caught up with technological advancements. Social mechanisms that work in face to face interactions dont work quite as well when we communicate via internet. This is something that is on us, parents/future parents to teach our kids not only how to interact with other people, but how to interact with them in such new and different way.

Sorry for the wall of text ;)

edit oh i forgot to post this .... this situation isnt a new thing in the industry, remember always online xbox ?

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Flabyo » July 13th, 2018, 10:30 am

If this were just something that only affects the one company and it’s community then I think most places would have just done a quick news piece and moved on.

But as a direct result of this many people in the industry with vaguely progressive or liberal views on their Twitter are having to deal with the toxic element emailing and messaging their employers asking for them to be fired. For the crime of being slightly to the left, politically.

I mean, that’s always been going on at a low grade level, but this is an empowering moment because, this one time, it seems to have worked (whether that’s what actually occurred or not). And if one other company decides this is fine, then this will become the new normal.

The direct consequences of this are that developers are going to spend even less time trying to connect on a personal level with consumers, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what everyone wants to have happen. Game devs are already way more tight lipped on projects that other entertainment mediums, that’s not going to change any time soon.

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Post by macstat » July 13th, 2018, 10:52 am

If you choose to look at it politically then this was an empowering moment the moment it all started. It was only a matter of. No matter the outcome, one side would gloat over the other as it usually is with a petty political "debate". I'm sure you dont have to have be left to get that kind of shit on daily basis.

But guess who would always lose? You average joe players. Because either we get a normalization of that kind of behavior from JP, or were getting normalization of toxic fanbase. Either way im now a left wing asshole or right wing asshole who supports that dev. And I just want to play a game and have fun.

But I agree with your last statement. Devs are going to be more tight-lipped. We will have to see if it's for the better or worse.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Alex79uk » July 14th, 2018, 1:16 pm

If I posted insulting tweets to and about a customer then I would expect to lose my job over it. Her reaction to the original message was inexcusable.

There should be no politics involved here whatsoever. What she did constitutes gross misconduct in pretty much any industry I can think of.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by KSubzero1000 » July 14th, 2018, 1:31 pm

Alex79uk wrote:
July 14th, 2018, 1:16 pm
There should be no politics involved here whatsoever. What she did constitutes gross misconduct in pretty much any industry I can think of.
To be fair, most industries don't have the kind of history of harassment / open hostility between consumers and professionals that the video game industry has. You don't see the CEO of Porsche getting into shouting matches with random petrolheads on twitter like Kamiya, for example. I agree that her behavior was less than ideal, but it's also understandable that people would run out of patience after repeated instances of antagonistic miscommunication. Humans are fallible, and the impersonal nature of social media tends to make everything worse at times like these.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by ratsoalbion » July 14th, 2018, 1:53 pm

Absolutely Camille.


Alex, I don’t think many would argue that Jessica Price acted faultlessly in this at all.

The concern is more that her employer appeared to buckle in the wake of a ‘pile-on’, much of which was fuelled by, well, the usual suspects.

A more reasonable response may have been a suspension and a firm ‘slapped wrist’.

I understand that she has acted improperly in the eyes of some of the GW2 community before, and this may have played a part.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Alex79uk » July 16th, 2018, 8:40 pm

I'm so happy that this exists!



Someone commission it!

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Re: Videogame News

Post by macstat » July 17th, 2018, 6:53 am

Same here ! I was thinking about how Nathan fills this role perfectly not so long ago and apparently i have ability to will something to existence :D

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Joshihatsumitsu » August 2nd, 2018, 8:41 am

I'm just going to shoehorn this as news, but as a collector of figurines, I'm pretty excited about the announcement of this R-Type (prototype) Figma model:
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Again, not news per se... just cool. :P

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Suits » August 2nd, 2018, 8:46 am

Joshihatsumitsu wrote:
August 2nd, 2018, 8:41 am
I'm just going to shoehorn this .......
I saw this and was going to post it in the R-Type Podcast thread but the image was too big for the forum and I wasn't able to re-size it !!

Awesome inst it.

It's not finished yet, let alone painted apparently.

I think it looks rad, just primed with the gold wire.

Really smart.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Joshihatsumitsu » August 2nd, 2018, 11:16 pm

Suits wrote:
August 2nd, 2018, 8:46 am
Joshihatsumitsu wrote:
August 2nd, 2018, 8:41 am
I'm just going to shoehorn this .......
I saw this and was going to post it in the R-Type Podcast thread but the image was too big for the forum and I wasn't able to re-size it !!

Awesome inst it.

It's not finished yet, let alone painted apparently.

I think it looks rad, just primed with the gold wire.

Really smart.
I... want... now!!! Thank god I subscribe to Good Smile Company updates... bad for the wallet, good for the soul!

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Suits » August 3rd, 2018, 12:26 pm

Rather on topic article for the Forum/Podcast written by Andy Hamilton.

Wait until KSub gets his paws on this........ :lol: .

https://www.vg247.com/2018/08/03/best-r ... evil-game/

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Re: Videogame News

Post by KSubzero1000 » August 3rd, 2018, 1:25 pm

I think RE7 should be higher on that list. As a 2018Gamer™, I don't have the time to get used to garbage control schemes or confusing camera systems, and it's not like anybody cares about Mercs anyway. Whenever I pick up a controller, I want to shoot using the right trigger, and anything that doesn't comply gets uninstalled instantly. RE7 excelled in every aspect and redeemed the series, so I think it's long overdue for the world to recognize its brilliance. I can only assume that the writer felt obliged to pander to the classic RE diehards by not giving it the top spot. Those poor souls should get out of the 90's, for real. They simply don't understand how immersive that game was. My favourite trick for dealing with these weird cultists is to not even address their ridiculous "arguments" and reiterate my blanket disagreement instead. I hear it makes them crawl back to whatever hole they came from and leave the rest of us normal folks alone.
the highlight is the first couple of hours as you explore the main area of the family home, stalked continuously by the seemingly indestructible Jack. Like the Nemesis, he’s instantly iconic
I for one cannot wait for the opportunity to buy collectible action figures of this tried and true video game icon. Fredddy Krueger and the Xenomorph might have worked 'back in the day' when they had horse-drawn carriages or whatever, but thankfully we now have a new horror monster for the ages, a new Master of Malevolence, a new milestone in eldritch terror that will impact popular culture for decades to come. Move over Mario and Samus, no gaming den shall henceforth be complete without a sculpted effigy of the one and only Jack Baker.
Resident Evil 7 is a real return to form – a true survival horror game that brings back all the best aspects of the early titles with a new twist.
Couldn't have said it better myself. RE7 is indeed the epic culmination of 20 years of refinement in game design, and anybody who doesn't understand this doesn't know anything about Resident Evil. It's about the scares, man. And that's not to say that the meticulously crafted survival aspect is lagging behind. RE7 had key items. You know what else had key items? Every other game in the series. And Monkey Island. And God of War. But whatever. Case closed. Any loser who doesn't realise how this is actually the exact same classic formula might as well be living in a parallel universe as far as I'm concerned.

Now if you'll excuse me, I inadvertently left the award-winning RE7 OST on loudspeaker and the people on the bus are giving me weird looks. Unworthy plebs.

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I actually don't think it's that bad of a list apart from the obvious...! :lol:

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Alex79uk » August 4th, 2018, 7:09 am

I did address your arguments, ksub, I simply didn't agree with them all, which appears to have led you on what is veering dangerously close to a pompous, elitist rant. I enjoy playing games. I don't particularly enjoy over analysing and picking them apart, but that doesn't make my opinion any less valid, it's simply based on different criteria. And whilst I understand that your post above isn't exclusively in response to the discussion in the RE7 thread, it's impossible to believe that didn't inspire it in part. It's ok for people to disagree, it's certainly not ok to either belittle or dismiss other people's opinions on the grounds they haven't sat and dissected the game under a microscope.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by KSubzero1000 » August 4th, 2018, 8:04 am

Disagreeing after mutual careful observation of the facts and a respectful exchange of contradictory interpretations is one thing, and one that I have absolutely no problem with.

A quick and easy "Yeah, but still." that conveniently circumvents 90% of the evidence-backed data that someone has taken the time and effort to present to you is another, and one that I'm expecting from 14-year olds on GameFAQs instead of this here forum.

You're perfectly within your right to think that I'm being a prick about all this and that this is a completely acceptable response, and I think I'm also within my right to gently call you out on what I consider to be impolite behaviour. Especially since this is not the first time you've bailed out on people's measured and thoughtful responses.


With that said, I admit that I could have phrased it in a less aggressive manner and I apologise for that. My intent was to draw your attention on something and not to insult you.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Alex79uk » August 4th, 2018, 8:56 am

I think if I had spent a long time carefully considering my analysis and opinion, and then disrespectfully dismissed your response to that you'd have a point. As it is, I've never done that. I've only ever posted brief thoughts, and not particularly ever wanted to get drawn in to the verbose and high brow discussion that goes on in the game threads. You're well within your right to feel annoyed I didn't offer further counter arguments to your extensive points, but it's not fair to place the blame of that annoyance on me. I could have sat and thought out a 500 word response, but simply saying I didn't agree nor feel that way about the game covered it far more succinctly. It would appear we want to get different things out of the form, and I don't have a problem with that, but to accuse me of being impolite is objectively wrong. I come here for friendly casual chat, and if I don't agree with something you say, it doesn't necessarily have to be drawn out in to a several page long discussion.

I might also add that in the Resident Evil 7 thread specifically, all I said was I thought it followed the formula to a tee. It was you who decided to post an essay about how you vehemently disagreed. If you're looking for a thoughtful, well considered argument on why I think it DID follow the formula, well, you've got the wrong guy. I just shrug and say, I dunno, I just think it does.

I don't want to fall out with you Ksub, but I think you've said some things that aren't really fair, and are a little uncalled for. If other people thought I was being rude and dismissive of their opinions, I'm sure they'd say, but the fact is I'm not. I value everything everyone has to say. The forum has a great mix of insightful discussion and casual chat, and you can't get all uppity because someone doesn't want to get involved with that - or, because someone doesn't agree with you.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by KSubzero1000 » August 4th, 2018, 9:12 am

Fair enough, mate. Considering how it was I who started that would-be discussion in the first place and not you, I'll take responsibility for this incident. It does indeed appear as if we both want different things from the forum, and it's not very fair of me to drag you into something you're not interested in. I probably should have taken your post in the RE4 thread more seriously:
Alex79uk wrote:
March 7th, 2018, 5:37 pm
I don't personally feel it's my job to formulate an honest and fair critique - I'll leave that to the people who know what they're talking about. I just like to say how a game made me feel, and whether I enjoyed it or not I guess - however biased or unfair that may be!
I suppose what is to you a benign and harmless opinion can sometimes come across as denying facts to me. So for example, when you claim that RE7 is just as built for challenge and speedruns as the other games in the series, I find it almost impossible to reconcile that statement with anything that I know about game design, and it frustrates me. Even though it's probably a throwaway comment on your part because you don't care all that much about that aspect of the game(s) to begin with.

So hey, my apologies for the passive aggressive rant and I'll try to keep our differences in mind in the future. :)

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