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Re: Videogame News

Post by KSubzero1000 » November 24th, 2017, 3:03 pm

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Arguing for loot boxes is like arguing children should be allowed in casinos. Nobody is out there arguing that casinos are having their creativity stifled for not being allowed to have children's characters on slot machines.
Which would be a relevant response if I was, in fact, arguing for loot boxes. But I'm not. I even said in the post you've quoted that I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to drastic legislation. These aren't the words of someone who is "arguing for loot boxes". I've never bought a single one in my life and I tend to discourage others from doing so when asked. I'm merely pointing out the reasoning flaws in your reductive and reactionary statements, which you conveniently failed to address.

Look, you're entirely free to believe that it's a simple issue, that loot boxes are inherently immoral and that the government should respond by way of a swift and all-encompassing ban. Frankly, I get where you're coming from. Antagonistic non sequiturs, however, aren't helping with getting your point across.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by ThirdDrawing » November 25th, 2017, 4:13 am

You're giving the "slippery slope" argument saying government will start regulating game content.

I'm saying regulating loot boxes is similar to regulating casinos because there's no artistic content involved.

It's neither antagonistic nor a non-sequitur.

If you don't want the government involved, give them the same choice as they had with the ESRB.

Create a regulatory body to police themselves, or have the government will do it for them.

It'll get them moving pretty quickly.

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Post by KSubzero1000 » November 25th, 2017, 7:56 am

From where I'm standing, the argument that there needs to be artistic merit for something to classify as "content" is nonsensical. Content is content. Even if that content is gambling. Is it part of the game you're buying? Then it's content.

Furthermore, I live in Germany and I've seen how censorship can emerge out of various politicians' desire to "protect the youth". Although the topic has been discussed on here before and some have argued that it doesn't actually qualify as censorship. I think it does, and that's why I also think that what you're proposing might be setting an unfortunate precedent.

That's all.

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Post by ThirdDrawing » November 25th, 2017, 1:45 pm

The same thing about censorship was said with the ESRB when it was formed.

I find it shocking that people are defending regulating loot boxes as "the nanny state government censoring the little guy".

It's the kind of "let the free market sort it out" approach you hear on Fox news.

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Post by Joshihatsumitsu » November 25th, 2017, 9:26 pm

To quote Democrat Sean Quinlan of Hawaii:

"We didn't allow Joe Camel to encourage our kids to smoke cigarettes, and we shouldn't allow Star Wars to encourage our kids to gamble."

And you add the fact that Hawaii is a US state that constantly blocks all of Donald Trumps super racist travel bands, among other crap, and I'm finding Hawaii to be an awesome place.

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Post by Alex79uk » November 25th, 2017, 9:53 pm

Plus the greatest television show that has ever been, and ever likely to be was recorded their too...

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Re: Videogame News

Post by ThirdDrawing » November 25th, 2017, 11:09 pm

Magnum P.I.?

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Post by Joshihatsumitsu » November 26th, 2017, 2:13 am

ThirdDrawing wrote:
November 25th, 2017, 11:09 pm
Magnum P.I.?
One would have to assume Magnum P. I.

I've never been to Hawaii. I really must correct that. First: grow Tom Selleck-type moustache...

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Post by Alex79uk » November 26th, 2017, 8:03 am

Lost!!

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Post by KSubzero1000 » November 26th, 2017, 9:10 am

So, how do you guys feel about traditional trading card games like Magic The Gathering or Pokemon? Doesn't it count as gambling as well since there is usually an element of chance involved? The consumers rarely know for sure what they're getting for their money and are encouraged to keep buying pre-made booster packs if they want to compete with others. And yet, some of these are marketed to children as well...

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Suits » November 26th, 2017, 9:38 am

Sticker books is the example that I hear that really confuses me, regards where I’m at on the whole Lootbox debacle.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Flabyo » November 26th, 2017, 10:12 am

The CCG model that Magic uses (booster packs of random cards, although you do know you always get a rare in each pack) is falling out favour in the board game industry in favour of the LCG model (you still buy booster packs, but you know exactly what cards are in each booster so the random element is gone).

Loot boxes are also slowly draining out of the mobile market as well. They certainly monetise well, but developers are learning that they don’t actually make their customers happy and that that might be more important to the longer term viability of a given product.

The console games industry is lagging about 2 to 3 years behind mobile when it comes to ‘‘alternative revenue streams’. They’ll start doing incentivised video adverts next I imagine.

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Post by KSubzero1000 » November 26th, 2017, 10:28 am

Flabyo wrote:
November 26th, 2017, 10:12 am
The CCG model that Magic uses (booster packs of random cards, although you do know you always get a rare in each pack) is falling out favour in the board game industry in favour of the LCG model (you still buy booster packs, but you know exactly what cards are in each booster so the random element is gone).
Interesting. I didn't know that.

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Post by Flabyo » November 26th, 2017, 12:11 pm

Look up Netrunner, or the new version of Legend of the Five Rings.

You might still have to buy multiple boosters if your deck needs four copies of card X but the fixed booster you can buy only has 1 in it. But you know that up front if you buy four of that booster you’ll get what you want.

Fantasy Flight Games are the main proponent of it, but others are taking notice. They explain the idea here, expand out the ‘read more’ sections.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by ThirdDrawing » November 26th, 2017, 3:03 pm

Flabyo wrote:
November 26th, 2017, 10:12 am
The console games industry is lagging about 2 to 3 years behind mobile when it comes to ‘‘alternative revenue streams’. They’ll start doing incentivised video adverts next I imagine.
The thought of playing something like the Witcher 3 and having it interrupted by commercials is a terrifying thought.

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Post by Flabyo » November 26th, 2017, 5:43 pm

The ‘incentivised’ part is the key. It doesn’t just chuck adverts at you at random. Instead it’s things like ‘you’re out of lives, watch an advert to refill them?’. Stuff like that.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by KSubzero1000 » November 26th, 2017, 6:52 pm

It's still intrusive and manipulative, if you ask me.

Then again, I have zero personal experience with mobile games.

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Re: Videogame News

Post by Joshihatsumitsu » November 26th, 2017, 9:38 pm

Alex79uk wrote:
November 26th, 2017, 8:03 am
Lost!!
You know what would have made Lost perfect? Tom Selleck. But then, Tom Selleck is usually the correct response to most questions.

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