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Because I think it's sometimes useful to have a counterpoint... this is in reference to how Nintendo have used Metroid lately, but it applies to fire emblem too:

http://askagamedev.tumblr.com/post/1499 ... tion-force

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Yes, Flabyo. I understand very well that it all comes down to calculated financial risk and that Nintendo aren't just trolling and spiting their fans for kicks. Money's everything. The point about constitutive elements still apply, however. And it's only natural that those who have kept any given series afloat in its darkest hour would feel protective of it. There is such a thing as integrity even within a capitalistic system, no?

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KSubzero1000 wrote: June 8th, 2017, 10:16 amAnd it's only natural that those who have kept any given series afloat in its darkest hour would feel protective of it.
I think that's a somewhat over dramatic assessment of the situation.

I get that people can become deeply invested in something, but those most deeply invested are a fraction of the number of people who actually buy any given game, so the idea that a small core of fans can keep any franchise alive is simply not true. If it was, we'd have more Metroid games by now.

Hell, we'd probably have a Fable 4 and a Beyond Good and Evil 2 and an EU release of the third Valkyrie Chronicles game and...

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I went over Three Houses on that specific thread, so I'll leave that for people to see there. But otherwise:

Blazing Blade(First US game)



I started with blazing blade, the first game those of us in the west got without importing. It wasn’t actually the introduction to FE, as many will note they appeared in Melee first. The subtitle for this game is actually blazing blade, and it’s a prequel to to the previous game, the binding blade. I don’t know how much stock people put into reading my confessional-esque walls of text, but I’ve went over before how I had A LOT of time for my game boy advance in my younger years, so games like this were played like crazy. I can’t remember much substantive, but the music, animations, and Lyn were awesome. I know it’s a meme to be tired of fire emblem in smash, but 2 of the 3 lords here would make great reps, and I might actually be willing to pick up the game again even. We can’t just settle for an assist trophy. It was hard, and I definitely wasn’t min-maxing. Thinking back though, this game had 3 storylines, which makes it even more strange with future entries(fates) people saying they’re confused by having multiple versions when it goes back this far. But being able to escape into a world as such was much more engaging than staring out of a car window or my bedroom ceiling. But ultimately, with this under my belt, when I saw the series name again, I knew I could have hundreds of hours of fun with whatever came next.



It's pretty strange we’ve seen 2 remakes after this game, and neither of them give us the prequel to this game. But much like Metroid, Mother, or some other vaulted Nintendo franchises, who can really tell when, IF we’ll ever get back to these. Especially considering Awakening and Three Houses’ success, I can only imagine they’ll go forward instead of backwards.



Sacred stones



Again, it’s probably been too long for me to speak definitively on, but we have another excellent entry. I believe you could change classes, or at least had a choice of promotion classes, with one of my favorites, the summoner! This also had an open map and I think and endless dungeon that I tried time and again to max out all my characters in, but permadeath is a real piece of work. Again, you’ve got multiple storylines with bro and sis. Story was tropey but made me go ‘d’awwww’ at the time.



Path of radiance



I’m not sure how far I got into this one, but this and it’s sequel, though good games that kept the spirit of fire emblem, were pretty ugly. My Nintendo library has always been pretty anemic, and I think what I did play I either borrowed or rented. I GUESS you can give them a break in that they were transitioning to console, but I remember battalion wars(also Intelligent systems? Maybe?) being pretty ugly too.



Radiant dawn



You can pretty much copy and paste what I said for the previous game to this one. I didn’t spend a ton of time with this one, but should be pointed out it was unique in that there was a magic-based lord. Normally we get a weapon-based lord, and a sword one at that.



Shadow dragon



I got this one, and although I remember it reviewed well, I didn’t enjoy it much. Instead of trying to keep my units alive or have nuance in combat, I’m fairly sure you were supposed to treat your units as expendable, especially since there’s no support conversations. I also remember not liking the visuals – not the crisp 2D sprites of the GBA games, and not the more refined 3d we end up with after this entry. I don’t even remember if I finished this one.



New Mystery of the Emblem(japan only)



Why are there still Japan only games? Minus points Nintendo!



Awakening



Famously, this was supposed to be the last game for Fire Emblem as Nintendo saw the series underperforming. But of course, it sold well and they really put their final fantasy-esque all into it, and the rest is history. I enjoyed this game greatly, but hardcore players(as has been mentioned earlier in the thread) were partly disappointed. It is a bit of a damning situation that one of the most loved entries in the series has forsaken some of who’ve followed it. But me? I loved Fire Emblem, and I didn’t even realize there was Pokemon-like breeding/raising system which allows you to make a time-travelling kid who can solo an entire map. The story is a bit silly, but it’s very Fire Emblem. Can’t remember if this one started the series having DLC or not. I will also say I enjoyed having an MC who isn’t a sword user. Also, what’s the deal with Tharja? I know yandere simulator was getting popular around this time, and when I played, I had no idea she was popular because she doesn’t even do anything in the story. I guess this archetype of woman is ultimately expressing herself in a way that’s ‘acceptable’/relatable to women, while not prescribing to a dainty outlook?



Fates



Unlike awkening, this one seemed to rub people the wrong way, with pundits seemingly most confused by there being multiple versions. I’ll never understand why Pokemon can get away with people paying double for two ‘versions’ meanwhile the three games(two, really) have a distinct playstyle and suit different players, giving different perspectives/alternate timelines on the same story which I assume scared people off. This was definitely expiremental, and I don’t know, definitively, if Nintendo can being credited for trying to do right by OG FE fans with conquest. I do give credit for having an interesting story(but the game gets a bit silly in part 3 and near the end) with good characters on both sides, and IIRC this is the first game where the ‘bad guys’ aren’t just all faceless goons you don’t think twice about when attacking. If you can’t handle imperfections, a lot of what goes wrong and is played with here is polished and done WAYYYY better in 3 houses, so you might want to skip to that. The music is also GREAT. I can’t remember if it’s in awakening too, but the music will transition to a slower, more grand ‘overworld/battlefield’ piece, but when you engage in combat, instead of completely stopping, it’ll go into a ‘battle’ mode of that same piece, like SFII famously. Though completionists will want to, I would say you can skip the third and final story as it’s very silly and lots of fanservice. Of course, if you like that sort of thing, there ya go.



Echoes: Shadow of Valentia



This is a strange one, but I think it’s worth a play. I do remember part of the story being not explained but other than that, great. You also get to see where that one song from Smash Bros comes from! It is a little odd in that its skill system makes you use HP instead of say, ‘weapon’ endurance, which can work to your advantage since it’s the same for your enemies. Those deep enough in the RPG genre will be fine with this, but considering is rarely present in modern day FE, it may take some adjusting on player’s parts. It is a bit ‘dry’ if you’re a modern FE player, but it wasn’t as dry as Shadow Dragon and I actually played through this one. Another plus for this entry is the story, because this is a remake, is set – in modern FE, there’s a ton of possibility based on who the kids are, who the MC marries, etc. Here, its Alm and Celica – and the paths are set. With them only having to focus on that narrative, instead of characters being whatever you want them to be, you get a real sense of who they are and how their story will go. I did find it hard to fight in this one because you’ll face enemies that can teleport(which isn’t the end of the world) but I wasn’t sure how to really protect my cadre against that.

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https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/10/22 ... r-nintendo

On one hand, the shadow dragon remake was bleh, on another...collector's swag

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Yeah, even the full remake hadn't aged well 11 years ago, I suspect this will be pretty tough to play, but it's super cool, and hopefully a sign of more to come?

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Oh, I have no doubt Fire Emblem has a bright future ahead - people bemoan their representation in Smash, and seem to ignore how successful the mobile game is when mario & co. basically flopped. Three Houses did gangbusters and such.

Part of me wants to grab the collector's set and is motivated by fire emblem almost dying with awakening, as strange as nintendo's limited time releases are going and shouldn't be awarded...

doesn't seem to be available anywhere besides Nintendo proper(which is only digital), I guess retailers were as unaware as we are.

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I really have no issues with Shadow Dragon other than that they didn't use full on pixel art for the battle scenes. It's FE at its barest, but I'd rather have that than a bunch of extra mechanics that completely undermine the core dynamics (see: Awakening). Cool announcement, in any case!

EDIT: Ah, I see I more or less already voiced this opinion back in 2017 in this very thread. :P

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Is this re-release of the first NES game worth playing? I tried it a while back when it came on the Japanese NES library on Switch, and didn't think much of it, but then again I don't speak or read Japanese...

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Alex79uk wrote: October 23rd, 2020, 7:53 pm Is this re-release of the first NES game worth playing? I tried it a while back when it came on the Japanese NES library on Switch, and didn't think much of it, but then again I don't speak or read Japanese...
well, the remake is out there if you'd like to see, otherwise I think it depends on how okay you are with traveling back to the past. As its the first, alot of 'old game jank' is present which turns me off(I quickly glanced at this https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/com ... n_some_of/). I admit it's been (nearly?) a decade since i played the remake, but yeah.

Ultimately, this new rerelease is pretty cheap if you're even halfway curious

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so the collector's edition hasn't been available to preorder until today(yesterday?). It's already being scalped on, so FYI. But doesn't seem to be available anywhere....?

Well, I didn't want it that badly but stores wouldn't let me preorder it and apparently don't have an option to alert me to when its in stock? You'd think these features would be omnipresent with having to compete with amazon, but alas.

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Okay, I guess the scalpers and people who empty-preordered have let their foot off the gas - managed to snag a copy at a best buy. Hopefully all my blathering is helpful to others lol.

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Good stuff raisinbman. It's interesting how limited availability makes us go after things we otherwise might not have given a second look. There's no real reason for me to want a localised version of the original Fire Emblem, considering how I already have Shadow Dragon on the DS, but this whole thing had me stop to consider it.

That's how they got me on pursuing a copy of Super Mario 3D All-Stars, even though I already have direct access to all the games on there. Though a legit way to play Super Mario 64 in 60Hz with good emulation was the real selling point for me there, other than my kids wanting to play all 3 games on Switch.

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Well, my curiosity was piqued with the scalpers in the mix and the pre-order not being available for the longest time, and it had an art book. I'm totally with you in the mindset of "I've already got this" but I originally was gonna do it just because I had some amazon credit. I've only glanced at the art book but it would probably be worth it alone. Also seemed like nothing exciting was coming out immediately, so could be considered a holiday gift to myself heh.

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