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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by Stanshall » September 19th, 2018, 5:01 pm

ratsoalbion wrote:
September 19th, 2018, 4:40 pm
Is there a different set of games on the Japanese service? Because apparently a single EU subscription will get you access to both if you sign in on a Japanese a/c.
Exactly the same set of games at the mo. I prefer the controllers (and hence the icon!) so checked it out but I'll be excited to see whether there's any deviation down the line.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by ratsoalbion » September 19th, 2018, 5:07 pm

Right, thanks for checking and letting me know!

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by KissMammal » September 19th, 2018, 5:44 pm

Suits wrote:
September 19th, 2018, 4:38 pm
All valid preferences, of course.

Personally, I love the 8-Bit stuff. Not always so much in terms of gameplay but more so in character, charm and concept.

Often they are loving crafted by small teams with mighty imagination and limited tech.

They are the building blocks of what we all play today and because of this I find them utterly compelling from the sprites, the chip tunes the box art and names they have.

I love the stories behind them, the original concepts and the lineage everything has.

Because of this, the fact that Nintendo are almost encouraging all Swicth owners to have these games at system level gives people a history of the medium on each system.

The execution might not be perfect but I very much enjoy the idea behind it.

I won’t play them all but knowing that they are there makes me feel fuzzy inside.

More please.
I think I'm in broad agreement with you - I appreciate the games on many levels, I just don't think they're much fun to actually play for longer than about five minutes.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by ratsoalbion » September 19th, 2018, 6:14 pm

I think they vary wildly in that regard. Soccer I agree with you, but Super Mario Bros. 3 I could play for hours.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by Suits » September 19th, 2018, 6:18 pm

KissMammal wrote:
September 19th, 2018, 5:44 pm
I think I'm in broad agreement with you - I appreciate the games on many levels, I just don't think they're much fun to actually play for longer than about five minutes.
Yeah, I do understand that and I suppose in terms of this in particular example, peoples mileage will differ significantly.

I've already put some decent time into Gradius and am at my first temple in Zelda.

My wife will play SMB3 for days and I'll mess with many of the others for longer than half an hour.

I just find some of these older games so compelling and am often drawn to their simplicity and difficulty.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by ratsoalbion » September 19th, 2018, 6:35 pm

I adore Gradius, but for me there’s no real point in playing the inferior NES port when I have the arcade perfect version on PS4.

Balloon Fight is still fun though!

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by KissMammal » September 19th, 2018, 6:57 pm

ratsoalbion wrote:
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I think they vary wildly in that regard. Soccer I agree with you, but Super Mario Bros. 3 I could play for hours.
Mario 3 is the exception - that game is a timeless classic. I'm periodically tempted to buy a NES Classic, but back out when I realise that SMB3 is the only game I'd actually want to play for any length of time! And now I can play it on Switch, which is awesome.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by stvnorman » September 19th, 2018, 6:58 pm

Just had my first ever go on Balloon Fight. Really is fun. I think I like it more than Joust! Tecmo Bowl definitely getting more love than anything else so far, but there are some stone cold classics on there that I’ve not really played before and will be playing for a long time, so see this as great value already, despite the slightly shoddy and archaic core service features.

I would like to be able to get the games I don’t want off my screen though - Soccer and Tennis mostly! They really are stinkers, and I’m not sure what possessed anyone to include them as launch titles.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by ratsoalbion » September 19th, 2018, 7:05 pm

Balloon Fight is certainly less intense than Joust, at least early on.

You can at least re-order the games if you like.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by Stanshall » September 19th, 2018, 7:16 pm

Having redownloaded it, to give the selection their due, some of these are OK, one or two are great (SMB3, maybe Zelda, maybe SMB) but aside from Tecmo Bowl, the sports games are absolutely awful! I would have preferred ten good uns than padding out with what I will generously call absolute shite.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by stvnorman » September 19th, 2018, 9:30 pm

ratsoalbion wrote:
September 19th, 2018, 7:05 pm
You can at least re-order the games if you like.
So you can! Thanks for that.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by Joshihatsumitsu » September 19th, 2018, 9:30 pm

I did update my Switch and signed up for the 7 Day trial, followed by going into the eshop settings and deselecting auto-renewal.

And yeah, it's fine. From the point of view of functionality, it works. To keep things positive, it's a solid foundation for something potentially better in the future.

Fortunately there's already a really good version of Donkey Kong on the Switch, courtesy of Arcade Archives. And most of those games are on the 3DS, Wii, Wii U, Nes/SNES mini, etc... so alternatives exist.

Earthbound on the Wii U, for me, was a big motivator to by a Wii U. It was an easy purchase decision for me to make because outside of rom-sites, it wasn't that widely available. That motivation just doesn't exist for me with Switch Online.

So, yeah. It functions. That's a plus. Won't be subscribing, but hey, maybe it'll get better. Anything is possible?

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by Craig » September 19th, 2018, 10:21 pm

I haven't had the time to dive in to it yet but I'm looking forward to it. Unlike some here, I still really enjoy NES games and although I still probably prefer the SNES era, there's certainly something appealing about how simple these games need to be from necessity. I doubt I'll dip into the sports games, but I can see why they're there - it's a huge nostalgia tugging project and many folk have fond memories of multiplayer with these specific games (I hear Tecmo Bowl mentioned quite frequently.)

I like that they have a bit of 3rd party support already. I'd imagine Nintendo are eagerly pushing Square Enix to let them put the Dragon Quest games on, and as they've appeared on the Famicom Mini, they might get their wish at some point.

As for the upcoming games-
October - Solomon's Key, NES Open and Dodgeball.
Nothing here too exciting, but I hear Solomon's Key is pretty solid


November - Metroid, Mighty Bomb Jack, Twinbee.
Metroid is a decent prototype completely undermined by starting with 30 health every time you die and having to farm it back up. It has other issues (no map, similar looking locales) but this was the big killer for me.

Twinbee is an interesting one - it didn't have an NES release, only Famicom, so they've gone and made a new NES style box art for it. Sets a nice precedent, though I would imagine this will only be for the case for games with little to no text. I can't imagine them funding a translation especially considering how much of a pain in the arse it would be to translate and update a famicom game.


December - Wario's Woods, Ninja Gaiden, Adventures of Lolo
Never quite clicked with Ninja Gaiden, but the Adventures of Lolo is a brilliant puzzle game. Don't sleep on it.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by Jobobonobo » September 20th, 2018, 2:17 am

Agree with everyone here that SMB3 is the crown jewel of the NES Library(still need to get around finishing it, PhD life and gaming don't mix too well!) but since it was remade with nicer graphics in Super Mario All Stars I would say skip the NES entirely and just go play that. I think the improvement the SNES made over its predecessor is truly incredible and there is not a single series I can think of that has a superior NES entry compared to what the SNES had to offer. For me, it is the only console transition where I think the newer gen games outdid the older titles in every conceivable metric and to be quite honest, it annoys me that the 16 bit era is completely overlooked whenever newer games want to evoke a retro aesthetic. I have far greater fondness for this generation of gaming than anything prior to it and it was when gaming truly started to really show off its potential.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by dezm0nd » September 20th, 2018, 5:21 am

You can also get Mario All-Stars on the Wii and it looks good on the Wii U but then you’re losing portability and save states.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by hazeredmist » September 20th, 2018, 9:02 am

No sugar-coating from me, this is a pretty terrible debut for the Switch online service in my opinion.

The selection of games (to me) is really poor, I got bored of perusing them after about 10 minutes. It feels naff playing NES games on the Joycons, the best of which I already own on 3DS and multiple other systems. I just don't care about NES games, I've had a NES Mini, let's see N64, GameCube, it's just boring having the NES pushed on us time after time after time. I hear Suits' positive vibes for newcomers and whatnot and I do love some of these games but for me - as a retro enthusiast too - it's lazy and cheap to use this as a focal point on a (supposedly) forward-thinking console's paid service.

The list of issues & constraints that pale in comparison to any other online service is baffling for a company to stand behind in 2018 and the fact they are persisting with the smartphone app method of voice comms when the system is perfectly capable of bluetooth & on-board mic / headphone jacks is crazy. I was sat on the train in France last week playing my Vita with bluetooth headphones FFS, yet I can't do that on this thing. It's ridiculous. Side issue but still.

Since I barely touch online multiplayer these days, I won't be keeping this beyond the trial unless that changes down the road for me.

I love the Switch but Nintendo are making so many decisions I can't get on board with these days. I wish the Vita got the props it deserved and either played this role today or Sony put out a sequel. Pretty much all of the issues I have with the Switch are not present firing up the Vita! How crazy is that.

Ugh.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by dezm0nd » September 20th, 2018, 2:19 pm

The patent for the N64 controller/mini has been approved. Hoping to see an announcement soon!

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by ratsoalbion » September 20th, 2018, 2:30 pm

ThunderForce IV is out on the Sega Ages label! From M2!

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by Stanshall » September 21st, 2018, 6:47 pm

Dark Souls Remastered on Switch seems to be literally DS: PTD edition from 2012 with the original textures and lighting. I literally could not have hoped for anything more. As much as I like having DS1 on PS4 and I appreciate the little changes and stuff, it's not quite Dark Souls. This is so good. It's just the PS3 version without absolutely shit house frame rate. Aaaahhhhh...Life is good.

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Re: The Nintendo news and discussion thread

Post by dezm0nd » September 21st, 2018, 7:00 pm

That sounds pretty great. I love the vibe that game has

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