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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » July 12th, 2019, 3:06 pm

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » July 12th, 2019, 3:10 pm

I'd never even thought about trying different inputs but yep. Ikaruga on Switch is analogue if you use the stick and digital if you use the D-pad.

No wonder you thrashed my score, K-Dog! XD

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Re: Shmups

Post by ratsoalbion » July 12th, 2019, 3:22 pm

Did the DC and GC versions of Ikaruga treat the analogue as an analogue (sorry if I’m not keeping up)?

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Post by KSubzero1000 » July 12th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Okay, I just checked on the 360 version. Interesting result: The input is analogue in terms of the variable speed, but as far as I can tell, the ship only ever moves in the aforementioned 8-way fashion even in this version. No adjustable setting.

The PS4 version is digital through and through, however. 8-way and fixed speed. I can't verify on DC or GC at the moment, sorry.

In any case, this appears to have been a late addition for certain versions, and the game is perfectly playable with its digital controls on both PS4 and (apparently) arcade cabinets! It's certainly not a game that has been designed from the ground up around analogue controls like Steredenn, so I don't think we should be discouraging Haze from playing it with his arcade stick, no?

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » July 12th, 2019, 3:30 pm

Absolutely. As I said last time this came up, I kind of feel like I haven't played the proper version through using the analogue controls. It's perfectly playable that way, I should say, but I would say that the arcade version is the 'correct' one.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » July 12th, 2019, 3:53 pm

If you think about it, everything surrounding the PS4 version of Ikaruga is super weird.

It came out around the same time as the Switch version at half of its price with barely any publicity surrounding it. Now it turns out that this version somehow lacks a 'feature' that had been added to previous console ports without any explanation. And to top it off, this omission actually makes it the more precise version and (arguably) the purist's choice! :o

Anyway, Haze? Please don't let all this talk of analogue controls put you off the game. Any version you choose should be perfectly compatible with your arcade stick's digital input without any drawback. And if you don't wanna leave anything to chance, I can personally vouch for the PS4 version being 100% digital.

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Post by hazeredmist » July 12th, 2019, 3:58 pm

Cheers - if anything it just makes me want the PS4 version (when I eventually feel sadistic enough to buy Ikaruga), as I don't want analogue controls polluting the gameplay. I don't see why that would ever be implemented with a true shmup tbh, particularly one as lauded and pure as Ikaruga. Even in my short time being obsessed with this stuff.

I'm kinda tempted to get Steredenn regardless though, and as clippa suggests, treat it differently. That sounds viable. It's £4.61 from Sunday on Switch. Seems a pretty good deal and can sit alongside Enter the Gungeon as decent rogue options...

...which I'll never play due to being obsessed with Cave-style shmups. :roll:

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » July 12th, 2019, 4:39 pm

Oh yeah, don't let the analogue controls put you off, the digital controls are still there and work perfectly.
Of ikaruga, I will say that it's very marmite, you'll either love or hate it. Make sure you try the demo on steam before buying any version, see if it's for you first - https://store.steampowered.com/app/253750/Ikaruga/

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » July 12th, 2019, 4:50 pm

clippa wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 4:39 pm
Oh yeah, don't let the analogue controls put you off, the digital controls are still there and work perfectly.
For Steredenn?

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » July 12th, 2019, 5:13 pm

I knew that would happen! I was talking about ikaruga but didn't want to keep saying ikaruga ikaruga ikaruga.
Starting the next line with "of ikaruga" (who the fuck talks like that?) was stupid though since it made it look like I was talking about something else in the previous line.
Just ignore me, I'm a fucking embarrassment, I don't know what I'm doing.

For Steredenn, the digital controls are absolute dogshit, use the analogue stick for that if you end up getting it, it's the way to go.

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » July 12th, 2019, 5:46 pm

Hmm, so with Sterendenn Ikaruga really we're talking it'll Ikaruga be some handheld shmup Isaac Ikaruga replacement as opposed to a big telly Ikaruga stick game. I think Ikaruga I'll probably get it. Ikaruga.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » July 12th, 2019, 6:09 pm

:lol: Yeah, worth grabbing, I'd say, especially on sale.

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » July 12th, 2019, 11:11 pm

Lost my 1cc attempt again on the last phase of the boss on stage 6 of Rolling Gunner.

Pretty dismayed. This is the easiest difficulty level and it feels within reach but the skill just isn’t there. I have to find a way to get to the boss with more lives / bombs.

Sincerely hope you lot aren’t expecting me to suddenly be challenging on your mad Ketsui / Futari black label 1.5 arrange mode normal 1cc clears. That is not in my future. I feel like a grandad trying to play with teenagers on call of duty. Or a 36 year old ill dad playing the gaming version of anxiety to relax :D

Back to the start, I’m gonna try handheld mode again. I didn’t even beat my score from last night though most of the run felt better somehow. Last night I was wrecked but it was in handheld. Chase the dragon.

COME ON

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » July 12th, 2019, 11:28 pm

ratsoalbion wrote:
June 21st, 2019, 9:28 am
I bought Rolling Gunner last night and got to the ‘extra’ final boss on my first credit on the easier mode.
One night! You downplay your ability Leon but knowing this game like I do now, I’m genuinely impressed.

I’ve just gone back and read Stanshall’s excellent post about how he got good with shmups, the timeline etc and feel a little better. I’ve not been on them long enough to get that muscle memory / ability thriving yet. I’m also relatively new to pursuing “hard games” in general, usually favouring far easier games & genres. Don’t expect too much at once. The 1cc will come. Some day on some game.

I just want to reiterate right now how much I’m enjoying Rolling Gunner. It’s so fucking good. So glad I bought it

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » July 13th, 2019, 10:17 am

hazeredmist wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 11:11 pm
playing the gaming version of anxiety to relax :D
I read this great quote from Yagawa in an interview
To relieve stress, it may be that people prefer music games and fighting games to shooting games. You know, when you play a shooting game, you actually get more stressed out. When you can say you love shooting games, I get the sense you’re no longer a normal person. (laughs) And of course I include myself in that. Everyone around me who likes shooting is a weirdo.
You're a weirdo now, there's no going back!

Rolling Gunner isn't effing around, you know? Don't beat yourself up, easy mode on that is like normal mode in other games and you've just bloody bought it and you're already getting to the final boss for christs sake! You're too hard on yourself.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » July 13th, 2019, 2:16 pm

hazeredmist wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 11:11 pm
That is not in my future. I feel like [...] a 36 year old ill dad playing the gaming version of anxiety to relax :D
The future is what you make of it! :P

Oh, and that would make you the... second youngest of our little group of shmup devotees according to my calculations. And if they manage to get some decent scores in-between collecting retirement checks, writing Ingrid Bergman fan-fiction and taking their gout medication, surely there is still hope for you yet.

So yeah, don't be too hard on yourself. ;)

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » July 13th, 2019, 4:22 pm

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1cc Rolling Gunner including TLB, novice difficulty

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feel like I’ve just lost my virginity

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » July 13th, 2019, 4:25 pm

Yaaaaay, I knew you could do it!

Congratulations! :P

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Post by hazeredmist » July 13th, 2019, 4:32 pm

Absolutely thrilled and pumped with adrenaline after that. So yeah you need to 1cc the boss to get the real end boss, even on this difficulty. I got to it with plenty of lives thankfully as I’ve learned some tricks along the way now to manage the hoards on stage 6 in particular. Man. I know it’s the easiest difficulty but it feels good! All this while the bairn was next to me watching Thomas the Tank Engine

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » July 13th, 2019, 4:33 pm

KSubzero1000 wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 4:25 pm
Yaaaaay, I knew you could do it!

Congratulations! :P
Thanks mate - DDP Resurrection is coming, belief is strong now

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