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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » June 22nd, 2019, 4:36 pm

clippa wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 4:17 pm
How would you describe your laptop? Would it be the equivalent of someone buying a rusty old vectrex at a car boot sale, one of the buttons falling off, trying to stick a nes cart in there and grumbling "fuck console gaming!"?
It most certainly would not be! :lol:

I would describe it as a mid-to-high quality range machine that stills works basically as well as it did when I first bought it and has never given me any significant trouble except for these low-rent indie games.

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Are you using windows 10 by any chance? There's a reason they were giving that away for free.
Nope. I heard nothing but horror stories so I've remained stubborn and refused to upgrade from 8. Again, works like a charm for everything else. Crimzon Clover is perfectly playable without any major issue, for example.


Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. Sorry for the hyper-negative posts, guys. It's just super frustrating when stuff like this happens because I have absolutely no idea what's causing the issue and even though I can't rule out the possibility of it being somehow my fault, I just end up wasting precious hours on this with nothing to show for it. :(

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 22nd, 2019, 5:08 pm

It's totally fine, I'd prefer that you let off some steam on here rather than swooping over to the UK to peck my eyes out.

Aw man, it's frustrating for me because I can't help you. If you lived next door I could come round and poke it with a stick, missus.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » June 22nd, 2019, 6:48 pm

I had a day off today. First in about a month so I decided to fill it with cricket on the radio and a load of assorted gaming. Having reinstalled everything on the rejuvenated 360, I played a selection of lesser known, less well regarded shmups:

Sakura Flamingo Archives

A bizarre game which must be by the makers of Radirgy. It has about six or seven different styles/games in there all mashed up. I can't figure it out. Kind of feverish and ugly but also quite fun.


Shooting Love 10th Anniversary

It's a mini compilation of XIIZeal and ΔZEAL, two pretty obscure games which are actually good fun. The latter is especially good, with the rotating melee attack reminding me a great deal of Psyvariar Delta's grazing proximity attack. I previously bought the Shooting Love 20XX compilation and I thought it was pretty poor so I've held off on trying this for ages. It'll get some more time, for sure.


Radirgy Noa Massive


Having enjoyed some Radirgy Swag on the Switch, I decided to go back to a previous game and it seems very very similar! Decent but my main conclusion is that I shouldn't have bought the Switch game since I already have this. Ehh, if it encourages more shmups on the system...


Shikigami no Shiro 3

Another decent shmup which doesn't blow me away, especially. Made by Arc System Works, it's pretty stylish, anime kind of character designs and some story stuff (all in Japanese so I have no idea). Lots of different shot types, some score multiplier stuff. It's quite a ugly, though, in terms of the actual game. It reminds me of cheap recycled 3D assets, no identity as such. It's a shame as something similar to the anime/manga character designs would look great.


Strania

This is more like it. Kind of reminds me of Astebreed in a way but as a pure vertical scroller with the weapon options being very similar to Einhander. You collect them and swap out one of your three current options, which you can rotate at will. It's also slightly reminiscent of Radiant Silvergun in terms of the level design, tunnels and environmental hazards and the sword.


Triggerheart Exelica

Fairly poor. Notable for its grappling hook mechanic whereby you can grab an enemy and swing them into a crowd but it's fiddly and feels inconsistent and unreliable. I'd heard it was rather pedestrian and that's accurate. No reason to play it, though it has a cool meaningless name.


RayStorm HD

A fairly decent effort with a perspective reminiscent of Radirgy or Ginga Force, slightly angled, slightly difficult to read. It's an XBLA game so can be picked up for peanuts but it's not essential by any means. It's probably not in the top 25 shmups on the system.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 22nd, 2019, 7:16 pm

Can you still get bullet soul: infinite burst on there? That's really good fun. Never heard of that flamingo thing, I'd like to try that.

I saw this on the shmups forum the other day, a guy talking about making a sequel (for switch and steam) to chronoblast I'd never heard of the original before. Microsoft nuked the indie gaming thing from orbit, I think, might still be a way to download it on pc and transfer it on there though if you're using a hacked xbox. Looks alright, dunnit?

Another new tale from the rip-roaring chronicles of my ongoing futari nightmare.

Made some absolutely ridiculous mistakes and missed the 1up again, but I beat my score at least. Shaking like a bloody leaf here. I can't cope with this stress.
I probably need to take a day off from it and come back fresh. I'm panicking too much when I get to the boss.

Happy for this to happen again

https://streamable.com/bc8z3

to get to the boss with no bombs so I can't waste them all, and then have the safety net of an extra life or 2, and hopefully get some fluky dodging going again and then dolly-bomb my way to a humiliating victory.

I bottled it, no idea why but there was plenty of room to go up the side there and I just bottled it. That's the sort of mimsy, spineless, self doubting cuntery that'd have me causing pile ups if they were daft enough to let me drive a car.



314,663,774

That laugh, man "hoh, hoh, hoh, hoh!", I'm gonna be hearing that the next time I can't get it up.

edit: first time! I meant first time.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » June 22nd, 2019, 7:33 pm

Damn. :o

That dodging was berserk...You got about half of her health down without a single bomb. Can't be far off now. And yeah, that laugh...Sheesh. I love the music in the latter stages of that boss, though. Those string stabs and runs, really dramatic and intense.

And yeah, BS:IB is great fun. I need to play a bit more of it but it's one that seems like a scoring kind of game rather than a survival challenge. It's very flashy and busy. I like that about it especially.

I also played some more Ginga Force which reminds me a bit of Bullet Soul. There's a kind of obscure/off-brand/French anime aesthetic which I find very charming. It's significantly better than almost all of the stuff in my post above. I've been too knackered to play anything properly but it's been a fun day of giving a range of different stuff twenty minutes or so.

(And Lapis X Labyrinth is back in rotation, perfect game for a twenty minute blast, constant pachinko stimulation. Can't believe it's been so overlooked even after Jim Sterling was raving about it.)

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » June 22nd, 2019, 7:43 pm

Bullet Soul: Infinite Burst looks really good, but I couldn't find any trace of it on the german 360 marketplace last time I checked. It's also surprisingly difficult to find concrete release info regarding that game, so I don't know whether it got delisted at some point or if it never came out in PAL territory in the first place.

And yes, I know there's a Steam version as well.

EDIT: Oh, okay. Looks like it never came out over here. Fun!


@clippa: So close, you can do it! :o

My Futari "progress" is currently stagnating at the beginning of Stage 3, so I'm still a long way off.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 22nd, 2019, 8:28 pm

Qute are amazing. I adore eschatos, I really hope ginga force comes to pc one day. I would pay a high price!
I really want that stupid lapis game an' all, it looks right up my street, something you can totally zone out to.

Yeah, that's really weird, it's not on the german site at all. It's getting better nowadays, but region locking can still get to soddery.

There is a region free physical copy according to play-asia, but you don't want to see how much people are selling that for, and make sure your spot the difference skills are up to snuff, it's the one with "cero" thing in the bottom left corner you want.

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Goes for around 4 quid in the steam sales. You never know, the stars might allign, it could be one of the games your laptop doesn't hate. Might be worth chucking 4 quid away to find out.

maybe you could just set up an english region account and buy it from the english marketplace. I've heard sometimes games are still region locked and you have to use a VPN to get them. Such a headache.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » June 22nd, 2019, 8:41 pm

clippa wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 8:28 pm
Goes for around 4 quid in the steam sales. You never know, the stars might allign, it could be one of the games your laptop doesn't hate. Might be worth chucking 4 quid away to find out.
Oh, the 4 quids aren't the problem. It's DRM and making yet another dumb account that's the problem. I have waaay too many games to worry about already without adding the gigantic rabbit hole of Steam sales to the list.

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maybe you could just set up an english region account and buy it from the english marketplace. I've heard sometimes games are still region locked and you have to use a VPN to get them. Such a headache.
Well, is it on the UK marketplace? I don't think it is. My research indicates it never came out in PAL territories on Xbox 360. Unless we're talking about specific instances of BPjM-based censorship (NG2, Gears, Dead Rising, etc...), the UK and DE stores are basically the same. No region-locking whatsoever between the two countries. PAL = PAL

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 22nd, 2019, 9:34 pm

Oh god, you're right, can't find it on there either. It's on the american store if that's any help - https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Prod ... 02465607f8

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.p ... 8#p1221108
well i took a chance on buying these 2 bullet soul games after creating a us account, and yes they work fine on my pal xbox 360, i also tried to buy raiden fighters and otomedius but both where region locked
edit: Just in case you do end up splashing out at some point, you only need infinite burst. The original game has a second loop, it's a shame they got rid of that, but infinite burst is tweaked and refined and the scoring with the coins is much fun. It's the version to get.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 23rd, 2019, 4:26 am

KSubzero1000 wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 4:36 pm
I can't rule out the possibility of it being somehow my fault
Not at all, wierd shit happens and it's all about how we react. I think it speaks to your character that you went to the pond and angrily threw big lumps of crust at the ducks heads. I pictured you sitting there listening to this on a loop :D
This one'll help you let off a bit of steam. That takes me back, me and my friend were sleeping on my settees after a heavy night and that came on and we sat up and rocked out solid for 2 minutes before conking out again.
Stanshall is a bit anti pc-gaming for the same reason as you, I think, life's too short.
My life is too long, if anything. No shame in not being a computer nerd, quite the inverse, in fact. Your laptops integrated graphics chip probably wasn't built with obscure doujin shmup engines in mind.

I was fitting an ls-40-01 into my downstairs stick tonight and I realised what that little bump on the top right corner was. It's fitted with a circle restrictor, you can see how subtle it is in this picture, it just rounds off the very corners.

I took it off and tried it and it doesn't seem to make much difference and this one didn't seem to have the issue where it was stopping me going from up to up-right at times so I just stuck it back on.
I should have left it off so I could compare, really, actually, I'll remove the restrictor on the the one upstairs since that one has that little bump issue, then I can compare.
When I opened up the downstairs stick, it was full of plastic dust where I'd been ridding the gate hard and tearing shreds off it!

I'm boring myself here, I feel like I've crossed the line and even you nerds are wondering how much dinner money I've got in my pockets.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » June 23rd, 2019, 4:52 am

clippa wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 4:26 am
Your laptops integrated graphics chip probably wasn't built with obscure doujin shmup engines in mind.
Yeah, you keep trotting that out as your go-to pet theory, even though BWRP ran perfectly fine two weeks ago. I don't think the Almighty decided to reach into my laptop while I was sleeping and swap out the graphic chip just to mess with me, you know. :P

Here's a crazy idea: How about making video games for machines whose primary function is to play video games as easily and reliably as possible, instead of for some which are built for typing and accounting? Hm? That'd be nice. Especially when they're supposed to be played with a controller anyway. Sounds like there's a gap in the market if you ask me.


PS: You have the weirdest taste in music imaginable.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 23rd, 2019, 5:52 am

Stanshall wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 6:48 pm
Strania
This is more like it.
Will make a note to pick it up in the next steam sale. I don't think I was ready for it back on the 360. All the weapon pickups seemed like a an unnecessary complication at the time and the environmental hazards just got on my nerves.

"environmental hazards" that's a weird way of saying walls, isn't it?

Looksta, big beak, nowadays in particular, consoles are just pc's with most of their functionality removed or locked off. Keep it simple and plug and play so little Timmy doesn't get a headache.
I've heard the argument before that consoles are made to do one thing, play games, while pc's are a jack of all trades, master of none. If that were true then consoles would be the optimal way to play games, even if they didn't let you tailor the experience to your own personal preference.

The pc is an open platform.
Look at a success story like minecraft, you'd get laughed out of microsoft HQ if you pitched that at a meeting. On PC, they were able to set up their own distribution service, sell the game and get people to playtest it as it was being made.
What did they do when they ported it to console? They simplified the crafting and added a bloody tutorial, totally going against the entire ethos of the game.

The child like joy of discovery, of being dropped into this strange new world, trying to survive the night and figuring out things for yourself, that feeling when you put some wood and metal in the right order and made your first pick axe, do you know how that felt? No, you don't, because you're effing dad, bill bloody gates handed you a golden pick axe on a plate.

The PC is the fertile, creative ground of gaming.
Sony and Microsoft buy up creative indie studios and kill them off or force them to make waggle shit. Look at most of the boring, homogenised franchises we have nowadays, they all started out as interesting, rough diamond pc games and had their edges rounded off for mass consumption.
The big two just seem hell bent on swallowing up and stifling talent wherever they find it. The same with hollywood, you watch evil dead 2 and then cunt-fucker spiderman and tell me why you're still alive.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/0 ... le-secret/
What do Far Cry 3, Metro: Last Light, Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, The Elder Scrolls, Dust 514, Hitman: Absolution, Max Payne 3, Call of Duty, and a billion or so other heavy hitters have in common? They all got their start on PC. Moreover, many of them – Far Cry, Metro, and The Elder Scrolls, especially – initially fell into the “ambitious to the point of jankiness, yet lovable for that precise reason” category.
and now even my beloved tripwire have sold their soul to the epic game store and I suppose that makes you happy, does it?

Gaming will never die, even if we have another big crash and all the AAA shite goes under, there will always be passionate people creating and sharing games just for the sheer joy of it. Cave don't make shooters any more because consoles killed the arcades. It doesn't matter because they could never dream of making something as good as blue revolver nowadays, anyway. Gaming has moved on, it's gone back to where it all started. To the bedroom coders, games made by gamers FOR gamers.

I can moan about their output nowadays, but Nintendo are the only ones still doing console gaming right.
Man, the differences between pc and console gaming used to be a good thing!

I feel like I've said too much and not nearly enough and I REALLY WANT A CIGARETTE!

Consoles used to be great, now they're where games go to die.
Do you know what I think when I see an indie dev making a game exclusively for console?
I think "you fucking traitor"
"enjoy your money", I think "enjoy feeding your children because they'll grow up to hate you"

Do you really want to know what cave are doing nowadays?
They're playing blue revolver, badly, sat around tossing themselves off, drawing cartoon children in their knickers and making this abomination! It's all your fault.


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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » June 23rd, 2019, 6:57 am

I'm well aware that there are certain games and genres that are best suited to the PC architecture, like real-time strategy, point-and-click adventure, WRPGs and most first- / third-person shooters. Most of the examples in that RPS article are very much in that camp and it doesn't surprise me that they originated on PC. But there are also at least as many examples of games and genres that are more at home on a console. That quote doesn't represent console libraries in their entirety very accurately.

I would, however, argue that STGs don't belong in the aforementioned PC category, considering they aren't hardware-intensive and are best played with a controller. I don't see how Blue Revolver would have suffered from "going to die" on PS4. And it would have given me the opportunity to play it properly, at least.

About the "open platform" argument: Yes, I agree with you and I think one of the biggest advantages of the PC platform is how it allows smaller developers to get started at the lowest possible barrier of entry. But there is a great middle-ground between low-budget indies and hugely expensive AAA titles that have been homogenized and focus-tested within an inch of their life, you know. Something a lot of consumers and publishers seem to forget nowadays. I also think it's important not to conflate Sony and Microsoft's recent business decisions and/or currently prevalent AAA design trends with console gaming in general. My GameCube is just as functional and valid as my PS4.

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Keep it simple and plug and play so little Timmy doesn't get a headache.
...You say that like it's a bad thing. Why wouldn't I want to keep it simple? Why would I want to have to deal with compatibility issues, drivers, sub-par control methods, constant crashes, third-party emulators, individual hardware components, operating systems, DRM, or maybe even viruses when I could just insert the disc or cartridge into my dedicated machine and play?

clippa wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 5:52 am
I've heard the argument before that consoles are made to do one thing, play games, while pc's are a jack of all trades, master of none. If that were true then consoles would be the optimal way to play games, even if they didn't let you tailor the experience to your own personal preference.
Well as far as I'm concerned, consoles are definitely the optimal way to play the games I care about the most. The vast majority of my all-time favorite games were developed as console games first and foremost. It's not just about convenience. It's about reliability. I would buy Crimzon Clover again in a heartbeat if it came out on PS4, so maybe I'm little Timmy after all.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 23rd, 2019, 8:18 am

KSubzero1000 wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 6:57 am
I'm well aware that there are certain games and genres that are best suited to the PC architecture, like real-time strategy, point-and-click adventure
Oh! He went there! The adventures of abacus Finn, aye?
How's about all games are better on pc? How about every input device you can dream of being useable, at higher polling rates, every button being reconfigurable?

When I found out that I had to buy a new arcade stick for my ps4, do you know what I did? I sent a very passive aggressive email to someone at sony asking why.

They said "Only the ds4 is compatible on the ps4"

I replied, saying that that wasn't true, that there were many new arcade sticks compatible with the ps4, but I was wondering why I had to buy a new one.

They replied saying that only the ds4 was compatible on the ps4.
Do you know what I did? I sent a very angry letter written in green ink to the lead singer of echo and the bunnymen.
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I don't see how Blue Revolver would have suffered from "going to die" on PS4. And it would have given me the opportunity to play it properly, at least.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I got carried away. Consoles are excellent for shmups, so long as they keep the lag down.
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My GameCube is just as functional and valid as my PS4.
Is it, mate? but, is it?
We all know about nintendo pulling the plug on the wii servers. I mean, I know everything moves at a fair clip these days but it still seems a little too soon. You can't play online or download any of the digital wii and ds games you bought.

Microsoft proved how much of an empty gesture their XBLIG venture was when they unceremoniously nuked it from orbit.
Edmund McMillen and other prominent indie darlings have been very vocal in the past about microsoft's appalling treatment of them and their games on their "one rung up" XBLA platform.

I don't doubt that there are people who keep all their old consoles, but you can't deny that you're encouraged to throw them out and buy the next iteration.
You try playing blue revolver on your haunted laptop, it'll at least cough up some flickering sprites and make your mouse vomit one long continuous strand of nasal hair, you try playing a ps2 game on your ps1 and you'll have no such luck.
You can buy ikaruga on pc right now, it's a shite game, but it's a good port, it'll last you a lifetime, you don't have to rebuy it every generation. You don't have to rebuy it when the ps5 or the xbtwo comes out.
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...You say that like it's a bad thing.
Well, I shouldn't have done. I don't just see the appeal, I love it. I love console gaming. My first gaming machine was a console, I've been playing on consoles and computers all my life, interchangeably like they were just games delivery systems with their own set of pros and cons and quirks.
I've never understood the "one or the other, pick a team" outlook of your console-exclusive gamer or your master racist pc zealot, obviously I'm playing devils advocate here and to be honest, I'm mainly forced to play on pc nowadays since my nephew hoovers up any console I buy and I know you haven't had much luck lately, but I genuinely can't remember the last time I had any problem playing a game on a computer. Even a minor problem that couldn't be fixed from a little tinkering or some googling.
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June 23rd, 2019, 6:57 am
maybe I'm little Timmy after all.
God bless us, everyone!
I love you so much. I don't know whether to scrooge you together a working pc for christmas or wrestle you in front of the fire :D

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » June 23rd, 2019, 8:23 am

I would buy Crimzon Clover, Blue Revolver and ZeroRanger the moment they appeared on the Switch. They would even give me reason to turn on my PS4 again.

After an early start and a couple of hours of grunt, I've been having a break with the fantastic Raiden Fighters Aces on the 360, and particularly with RF Jet. It's a compilation of three RF games and they're all damn good. I'm not particularly familiar with the Raiden games but of those I've played, these are comfortably my favourites.

Raiden Fighters Jet reminds me of the Psikyo games like Strikers 1945 and Aero Fighters but with some added Ketsui muscle. Fast bullets, twitchy dodging, military aesthetic, chunky explosions, massive warplanes, hi-tech weaponry, earthy destruction, a faded poster of a soccer mom in a Stars and Stripes bikini firing an M60 in the back yard kinda game.

It's up there with the very best non-Cave shmups I've played. Easy to pick up, tough to master and damn good fun. I'll be chasing high scores in my survivalist bunker long after the radioactive cockroaches have inherited the Earth. Yee haw!

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 23rd, 2019, 8:32 am

Stanshall wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 8:23 am
After an early start and a couple of hours of grunt
My brain has come up with two possible interpretations and they're both making my top lip curl.
Stanshall wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 8:23 am
I would buy Crimzon Clover, Blue Revolver and ZeroRanger the moment they appeared on the Switch. They would even give me reason to turn on my PS4 again.
Coward! Go on, go nuts, no holds barred. I want to hear you lay into pc twats like nobody's looking :lol:

edit: you're probably busy, actually, if you find time to spit at me later on this evening, it'd be appreciated.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » June 23rd, 2019, 8:47 am

Lamentably, 'grunt' here refers to the back-breaking blood, sweat and tears of cross-referencing paper trails and rewriting policy. It is these diabolical associations and others which make me reject the PC as a source of anything besides torment.

Also, there's no easy way for me to use a mouse in my gaming room.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 23rd, 2019, 9:05 am

Work! My curled top lip is suspended in mid-air as my whole body recoils in horror.
I slaved over a pc for around ten years and I can remember "switching off" entirely to escape. I once woke up in a fright hearing/imagining that "ooooowrrr" when you shutdown a computer at the end of the day, thinking somebody had finally pulled the plug.

Yes, it's a good enough excuse not to accept the one true platform, it's up there with sour grapes. I'll accept it. You are excused.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » June 23rd, 2019, 10:14 am

clippa wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 8:18 am
How's about all games are better on pc?
...If you're gonna make a bold statement like that, it'd be nice if you followed it up with a precise explanation of the metrics of quality you are using instead of a cute story of you wasting your time and that of Sony's customer support.

According to my metrics of quality, such as ease of access, design integrity or ergonomics (for handhelds, in particular), I would very much disagree with such a blanket statement. There are plenty of games that are better on PC, but the opposite is true as well. How exactly are OG Tetris, Soul Calibur 2, REmake or Metroid Prime 3: Corruption "better" when being played on a PC as opposed to their native platform(s)?

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How about every input device you can dream of being useable, at higher polling rates, every button being reconfigurable?
This perfectly encapsulates my philosophical differences with PC players. Quantity of options isn't the same as the quality of said options. Just because I "can" use two dozen different controllers to play a game if I feel like it one day doesn't mean that it would make sense to do so. It shouldn't be the job of the player to decide which input methods are best suited for the game they're playing. It should be the job of the developer, during development. Controllers aren't just randomly interchangeable! Who cares whether or not I "could" play Super Mario Galaxy on PC with a flight stick and a pair of DK bongos if I wanted to waste 15 hours tinkering on it when I could just play it perfectly well right out of the box with the one and only input method it was completely designed around?!

The idea that random consumers can just dive into a game's code after its release and start modifying everything to suit their half-baked pre-conceptions of how it should work is completely inane to me. How about trusting professionals to deliver polished games that make the best out of their native platform and respecting their decisions instead?

Hardware is a means to an end. Software should be king. That's how I look at it.

clippa wrote:
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KSubzero1000 wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 6:57 am
My GameCube is just as functional and valid as my PS4.
Is it, mate? but, is it?
We all know about nintendo pulling the plug on the wii servers. I mean, I know everything moves at a fair clip these days but it still seems a little too soon. You can't play online or download any of the digital wii and ds games you bought.
...Yes, which is why:

1. I specifically mentioned the GameCube, and not the Wii or NDS, since it came from what I believe to be the golden era of console gaming in many respects.

2. I continuously like to remind people of the inherent advantages of physical media over digital media.

I stand by my statement. The GameCube under my TV is just as functional and arguably more reliable than the PS4 right next to it, or even than your precious PC. I could insert my Super Monkey Ball disc and plug the one and only compatible controller into it, boot it up, and already be playing 30 seconds later without having to worry about anything except the game itself. I don't see how a PC could possibly improve upon that in any meaningful way.

clippa wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 8:18 am
I don't doubt that there are people who keep all their old consoles, but you can't deny that you're encouraged to throw them out and buy the next iteration. [...] You can buy ikaruga on pc right now, it's a shite game, but it's a good port, it'll last you a lifetime, you don't have to rebuy it every generation. You don't have to rebuy it when the ps5 or the xbtwo comes out.
I can and I am denying this. Phil Spencer can go down his list of dumb marketing bullet points as much as he wants, but just because mindless consumers decide to engage in mindless consumer behaviour doesn't mean that said behaviour is officially the right thing to do. Newer generation consoles very rarely improve upon their predecessors in every way to the point of rendering them obsolete. Stan and I are currently having a whale of a time playing "old" shmups on our 360s for the simple reason that those aren't available on XBO. The NDS Lite is still my preferred model of the NDS/3DS lineup due to its lack of region-locking and (in my opinion) superior form factor over the 3DS. There are plenty of reasons to hold onto a WiiU even if you own a Switch. Etc.

And I don't see why I would "have" to rebuy Ikaruga every generation save for collection's purposes. Although I take your point about a lot of modern AAA games privileging graphics over performance and representing better value for money with their souped-up next-gen ports.

clippa wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 8:18 am
You try playing blue revolver on your haunted laptop, it'll at least cough up some flickering sprites and make your mouse vomit one long continuous strand of nasal hair, you try playing a ps2 game on your ps1 and you'll have no such luck.
...This is a bit of a disingenuous argument considering how BR and my laptop came out within one year of one another. Yes obviously, forward compatibility isn't a thing on console. It's also not really a thing on PC considering the amount of "minimum operating system"-requirements I've been reading over the past month or so. BR isn't gonna run on Windows 98 either, I don't think.

Stanshall wrote:
June 23rd, 2019, 8:23 am
I'll be chasing high scores in my survivalist bunker long after the radioactive cockroaches have inherited the Earth.
Sign me up, mate! :P

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » June 23rd, 2019, 11:24 am

Get competent with all input devices and use the right tool for the job.
That "good all rounder" stock, default controller they ship with the console is a swiss army knife, it'll do, but you wouldn't try to chop down a whole forest with it.
KSubzero1000 wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 4:36 pm
I could just play it perfectly well with the one and only input method it was completely designed around?!
This is pretty rich coming from someone who plays shmups with an analogue stick, I gotta tell ya.
KSubzero1000 wrote:
June 22nd, 2019, 4:36 pm
I continuously like to remind people of the inherent advantages of physical media over digital media.
Physical media is bad for the environment, the cd you hold in your hand is a worthless paper vessel.
Those in the business of console gaming are dead against the idea of preservation, for obvious reasons.
All of that clutter you've amassed will be shovelled into the same skip as your corpse when you keel over. Stay light and free, these things do not define you. I'd happily make a ksub emulator right now if I could, just in case!

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