E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by hazeredmist » June 11th, 2019, 3:58 pm

That's it like, a catch-all service would be the dream, but how much would it be? I used to laugh at the amount people would fork out for Sky TV with the movies and sports packages and 30,000 useless channels with carp fishing out-takes and that. Now our subscription services combined will dwarf that, making it seem comparatively good value. Plus like you say, stuff is on Netflix one month then gone the next. We started watching Seinfeld on Prime, three seasons in, then get a warning it's fleeing Amazon in a couple of weeks. OK, cheers for that. Are you reducing my bill because you're taking content I want away from me? No? That's not how it works? Right then.

To refer back to gaming, you no longer just buy the consoles and a PC. You've got Uplay, EA Access, PS Plus, PS Now, Xbox Live, Xbox Gamepass, Nintendo Online, Google Stadia etc etc etc swallowing up your funds. Digital storefronts with servers that get turned off. It's SO expensive to be a catch-all gamer.

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Jobobonobo » June 11th, 2019, 9:05 pm

KissMammal wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 2:11 am
Anyone else think that the FF7 character designs lose every single ounce of charm and instead actually look really silly when they’re rendered in the quasi realistic style of the remake?
Yep, 100% agreed. I played and finished FF7 for the first time last year and I thought its chunky visual style gave the game and its cast a lot of personality. Mind you, I am one that thinks a lot of the chunky polygons of the PS1/N64 era had their own unique aesthetic qualities that could make a game strangely timeless instead of dated. A goofy timelessness, yes, but one that I find quite endearing.

Have to say, despite loving my time with FF7, this remake does not do it for me because of the needless desire to make the graphics as super advanced as possible typical of modern Square and it being an "episodic" game leaves an especially cynical, exploitative taste in my mouth.

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Post by ratsoalbion » June 11th, 2019, 9:17 pm

It's available as a one time purchase though, for the same price as it would cost if it was a single release.

They haven't decided how many episodes it's going to be yet, and no-one knows how long each one will take to complete either, so I wouldn't pony up for a pre-order myself (never do):
https://www.destructoid.com/square-enix ... 7124.phtml

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by KissMammal » June 11th, 2019, 9:29 pm

Jobobonobo wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 9:05 pm
KissMammal wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 2:11 am
Anyone else think that the FF7 character designs lose every single ounce of charm and instead actually look really silly when they’re rendered in the quasi realistic style of the remake?
Yep, 100% agreed. I played and finished FF7 for the first time last year and I thought its chunky visual style gave the game and its cast a lot of personality. Mind you, I am one that thinks a lot of the chunky polygons of the PS1/N64 era had their own unique aesthetic qualities that could make a game strangely timeless instead of dated. A goofy timelessness, yes, but one that I find quite endearing.

Have to say, despite loving my time with FF7, this remake does not do it for me because of the needless desire to make the graphics as super advanced as possible typical of modern Square and it being an "episodic" game leaves an especially cynical, exploitative taste in my mouth.
I think the switch over to the more 'realistic' graphical style with FFX is when I lost interest in the series as a whole. The outlandish costume design and hairstyles make sense visually when the characters themselves are very stylised, but they look ludicrous on relatively real looking human figures. I also don't really like it when rpgs mash up real time action with turn-based combat - I'd rather they just pick one style and stick to it.

Yeah, i'm not remotely interested in the remake either - I'm firmly of the opinion that when people asked for a FFVII remake all those years, all they were asking for was the original game with tarted up visuals and audio. I think this remake has to be one of the most over-thought things ever. Presumably the 'sequel/continuation' to the remake won't be out until the next generation of consoles. How will that work?

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Stanshall » June 11th, 2019, 10:17 pm

FFVII Remake is an impossible task and that's why I'm so fascinated by it. I expect nothing and I dream of something far beyond my imagination. I don't care if it's a colossal failure and pile of crap, the original is an evergreen facet of my existence which I haven't tired of in more than twenty years. It means so much to me and is transportative like little else. The soundtrack still makes me feel excited and nervous and cheerful and moody in a timeless way, like the first times I ever heard it. It's bizarre. I love how goofy it is. I love how earnest it is. I love how ambitiously profound it is. I love how artificially gamey it is. It means more to me than almost any game and while I'm waffling away here, I wouldn't even really know where to start talking about it. I wish I'd made a significant contribution to the C&R issue but it was a rare occasion where I just didn't know what to say or where to begin.

If the new one is a total dog egg, it won't bother me at all, my expectations are nil. It can only be a pleasant surprise.

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Jobobonobo » June 11th, 2019, 10:32 pm

KissMammal wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 9:29 pm
I think the switch over to the more 'realistic' graphical style with FFX is when I lost interest in the series as a whole. The outlandish costume design and hairstyles make sense visually when the characters themselves are very stylised, but they look ludicrous on relatively real looking human figures.
Certain game series benefit from realism and others don't and Final Fantasy I think is far more appealing to me when they stray from realistic aesthetics. FF7 was my first entry into the series but I think it is telling that it is 6 and 9 that I would like to try next. Another infamous example of realism really screwing up the visual style of a series was Sonic 06. Having a blue anthropomorphic hedgehog run around with a regular sized human princess will never not be absurd to me. What on earth was in SEGA's heads to go through with that?!
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June 11th, 2019, 9:29 pm
Yeah, i'm not remotely interested in the remake either - I'm firmly of the opinion that when people asked for a FFVII remake all those years, all they were asking for was the original game with tarted up visuals and audio. I think this remake has to be one of the most over-thought things ever. Presumably the 'sequel/continuation' to the remake won't be out until the next generation of consoles. How will that work?
Oh dear lord, there is going to be a sequel? I thought the whole point of Final Fantasy is that they are standalone stories! I like that the ending was ambiguous yet hopeful. It is an ending that suggests a followup is not necessary and a sequel unless it is done very well is going to really screw that ending by actually explaining what happens. A bit of ambiguity can be a good thing sometimes. Oh well, at least there is still the original.

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Flabyo » June 11th, 2019, 11:17 pm

It’s gotten a bit confused how the remake is actually going to work out, as far as I can tell it’s not ‘episodic’ in the sense that a telltale game might be, but more like the Star Wars movies are.

So it’ll be ‘ff7, part one’ as a full game on it own, then later on a new full game called ‘ff7 part two’ etc...

They’re aiming for each part to be a full size jrpg, and stand alone.

Whether that’s how it shakes out, who knows? It sounds an awful lot like what Namco tried with Xenosaga...

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Caligulas Horse » June 12th, 2019, 11:04 am

I feel the same as Stanshall.

I think it's worth pointing out that even if people were only asking for tarted up visuals and audio all those years ago (I was) it seems like a lot of fans are really excited for this remake and we're probably the minority on this one.
Jobobonobo wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 10:32 pm
Oh dear lord, there is going to be a sequel? I thought the whole point of Final Fantasy is that they are standalone stories! I like that the ending was ambiguous yet hopeful. It is an ending that suggests a followup is not necessary and a sequel unless it is done very well is going to really screw that ending by actually explaining what happens. A bit of ambiguity can be a good thing sometimes. Oh well, at least there is still the original.
I don't think that's what they are doing, they are just dividing up the story that already exists. The first release seems to cover the time spent in Midgar which is around 10% of the original game.

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Caligulas Horse » June 12th, 2019, 11:12 am

I think what would really suck for me is if I play it and end up enjoying everything except for the story and the characters.

Actually what would really suck is if I play the first part and end up enjoying everything, only for the full thing to never be released haha.

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by clippa » June 20th, 2019, 11:43 pm

Crowbcat supercut was fun.


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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Suits » June 21st, 2019, 6:45 am

I could only watch the first minute or so of that - soooooo, painful and cringe.

Like an episode of Faulty Towers but worse, as it’s real.

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by clippa » June 21st, 2019, 7:27 am

Elon Musk, the kids love him! He smokes de reefer and drives cars in space! He's a hot mess and a property according to this monopoly wiki!
Shareholder approved thinking at it's absolute best.
it looked like "they might be giants" in couples counselling.
"You can't keep holding me at arms length, John, your broomstick arms weren't built to compensate for the gravitational pull of your immense fucking head. You can't sit on the tour bus and keep looking away and sweating"

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Re: E3 2019 - Conference times and general chat

Post by Suits » June 21st, 2019, 9:54 am

clippa wrote:
June 21st, 2019, 7:27 am
"You can't keep holding me at arms length, John, your broomstick arms weren't built to compensate for the gravitational pull of your immense fucking head.
F-LOL man, that’s funny 😄.

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