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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 12th, 2020, 9:53 am

My Ikaruga hate posts are basically just to motivate me to keep going. Can I really be such a physical and mental husk as to quit when I'm so close?

"It is nothing else than the principle of the man who has the reason for being."

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 12th, 2020, 8:49 pm

Yes. Yes, I can.

I can do the columns better on stick but the actual stage is worse because of the input lag, my timing is too inconsistent now so I'm not even getting to the end section with a full chain more than 10% of the time which is a real shiter. I'm having to work with the lag and try to do things a tiny bit early. It's...not great. I can do the majority of the stage much better on pad and then jumping up the columns better on stick and then threading the columns better on pad.

Is it reasonable to pause and switch input method? Nnnnn...no, it's madness. I hate it less, because I can do the last bit better and can feel some minute progress but I still genuinely hate it more than any game I've ever played.

I bought an Ikaruga T-shirt as well last night which I will only wear if I ever decide to just go fucking mental.

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » February 12th, 2020, 11:10 pm

What? I thought you’d left her!

Now you’re buying her things too?

At this point we, as your mates, should be staging an intervention, ensuring you can get the clean break you clearly need.

As it is, although everyone thinks she’s minging now I’m still quite up for shagging her and talking about it with you so I’ll enable this a little longer because I’m a bastard.

Are you letting yourself finish the level before giving up or are you hitting the admittedly awful several clicks restart immediately? I found that even when I thought I’d fucked it (not at the intro bit, I need that max chain there, I’m not crazy!) that finishing meant I could see my score getting closer to where I want it to be...

That being said I’ve still not beat my own high score somehow set before I became more arsed about it it. That’s due to ESP Raid taking up my limited shmup time lately though.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Alex79uk » February 13th, 2020, 8:00 am

hazeredmist wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 11:09 pm
Keep that game uninstalled. I’m definitely not done with it but it sounds like everyone else is, for the good of their own health :)
I'm still trying to 1cc it. Not fussed about score, though. I can get to 2-boss without dying, but not beat it yet.

I also find I never use the powerup when the meter is full so I need to remember to do that as well.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » February 14th, 2020, 6:29 am

Reliably playing through Chapter 3 in MuFu without bombing is proving to be exceedingly difficult.

Stick is becoming very easy and enjoyable to use. I'm not super-precise with it, but I'm having fun. Interestingly enough, I seem to struggle more with the push-buttons than with the stick itself!

I have an urge to drop it and get on that sweet Ikaruga action but now would be the absolute worst time to start juggling several games! :D

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 14th, 2020, 6:35 am

I'm definitely going to get back to Ikaruga on the 360 to remove the input lag from my 360 to Switch stick adapter.

It's no big deal bombing in Ch. 3 of Futari. It's actually a pretty common and sensible thing to do to control rank. I don't know which mode you're playing but it's pretty much expected.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » February 14th, 2020, 6:40 am

I'm playing BL Original for now. BL seems like the clearly superior variant in comparison to 1.5, honestly. Better scoring systems and more visually appealing.

The thing about bombing is that I prefer to consider it a get-out-of-jail-free card, to be used only when I messed up. I don't like to incorporate it into my strat from the very beginning, makes me feel like I'm not learning the game properly... :(

Which adapter is giving you trouble? I'm using the MayFlash MAGIC-S PRO and I've definitely noticed a bit of lag when using my stick on PS4. Not enough to be a deal-breaker, but just enough to be annoying. :|

(Can't imagine how much worse it would be with a wireless controller, btw.)

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » February 14th, 2020, 12:40 pm

Took me a long time to get over my "bombing is for pussies" hangup.
Yes, every bullet is designed to be dodgeable, but man, that's late game shit.
Use your resources. You ain't playing no "Fabergé egg transporter simulator", get the fuckers flung.
You know yourself which parts of the game can do you over, get used to resting that finger on the bomb button when those moments come.

Playing dodonpachi at the minute and every bomb is precious, particularly when I get to stage 5 and 6. There are some boss patterns that I can do semi consistently but sometimes it just ain't worth the risk and I'll bomb anyway to be sure.
Lives are priceless. If you die, you lose all those bombs you've been cuddling anyway.
I'd say don't be practising for a no bomb run just yet, but you're a stubborn, contrary bugger and you're probably not reading this anyway so



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I skipped chain day down the gym, it's all going to shit :lol:
Fucking loving this game though!

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 16th, 2020, 10:39 am

KSubzero1000 wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 6:40 am
Which adapter is giving you trouble? I'm using the MayFlash MAGIC-S PRO and I've definitely noticed a bit of lag when using my stick on PS4. Not enough to be a deal-breaker, but just enough to be annoying. :|
I've got Mayflash and Brook converters. I feel like the latter is a tiny bit better but I bet I couldn't pick one or the other in a double blind test. I would definitely be able to tell whether I was using an adapter or not, though.

My timings feel perceptibly different when using the Pro Controller D-pad and using my 360 stick, which is extra frustrating because my muscle memory gets screwed up. With the stick, I have to try to do everything quicker and this brings its own issues. To give a concrete example, in the Prologue, I sometimes miss the 22nd chain when playing on stick if I switch to black to destroy the final black trio. That literally never ever happens on pad. When it comes to some of the really tight sections in the stage, stick is often too sluggish and I screw it up. But again, I find movement up the columns easier on stick because the Pro Controller D-pad is squishy and the inputs are sometimes randomly imprecise. Every time, I just stab at the diagonals and hope for the best. I have zero confidence in it as a precise input device. I actually find the analogue stick more reliable.

Yes, yes, workman blaming his tools and all that but it's true. I need to somehow get Ikaruga back onto my 360 but my laptop takes about half an hour to start up these days so I can't be bothered.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » February 16th, 2020, 3:40 pm

Dear god.
Would fitting one of those constantly sold out, very low latency brook universal fighting boards into a stick solve all your woes?

Fuck consoles and their proprietary cuntery. Always fucks me off.
I'm surprised you didn't go with that hori switch stick, if I'm honest, considering it's your platform of choice. Did you think you'd be using it more on the 360?

Can everyone not just buy a bloody pc and be done with it already?
You people.

Wolcen's got it's claws into me, but I'm gonna make sure I take some time to bone up on stage 5 of dodonpachi tonight. Gonna play a credit and make a save state just before stage 5, finish the run and then just keep loading it up for practise, stage 5, stage 5, stage 5. Try and get confident, try to bomb less.

Stage 6 I find waaaaay easier, I can get to the final boss, but I'm gonna need more resources to get through it and the only way that's gonna happen is getting more confident with stage 5.

Once I get my 1cc I can start trying to ... ugh, fucking chain. I fucking hate stingy chaining. Hateful business, cave are such godless heathens.

Nobody intewested in having a try of dododpachi for the highsc-? No, sorry I mentioned it. As you were.
I can see this getting knocked on the head again, bit of a poor turnout. Having said that, that happened the first few times we did it last time and it snowballed.
The mods used to sticky it but all the bloody mods are AWOL. What a shitshow, make a bloody shmups forum with less cunts in it, BSM. You're our only hope! :lol:

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 16th, 2020, 5:04 pm

Universal Board is on the cards one day, defo. I keep looking at them and thinking what am I meant to do with that? I can't be bothered, basically. I'm a bit off shmups at the moment, as well, so it's not enough of a priority.

I defo play more shmups on the 360 though so totally happy with the decision to get a 360 stick. The day that Cave bring out all their stuff on the Switch is the day I launch my 360 into landfill, though. I did get that Hori Hayabusa stick for the Switch way way back when but returned it. That was way before I even got into shmups, though.

Maybe one day I'll get a PC but on balance I prefer the one-second wait for the Switch to come on with a wall of icons to click and straight in. That's it, basically. I choose convenience in that respect and shit input lag problems because I don't really play any shmups 'seriously' on the Switch.

I also can't really be bothered with emulation at the moment so no DDP for me. My Retroarch build on the PS Classic fucked itself up based on nothing I'd done differently and my comp is too tiresome to rebuild it (or basically justify copy the files back onto the USB). That's my other issue with emulation, there's always some fiddling to do. I can do it but I just can't be fucking fucked sometimes. It's like I've made my own pasta before and it's a little bit better but I can't be arsed.

I think the common denominator here is pretty clear. I am a lazy bastard.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » February 16th, 2020, 7:35 pm

Stanshall wrote:
February 16th, 2020, 5:04 pm
Universal Board is on the cards one day, defo. I keep looking at them and thinking what am I meant to do with that?
:lol: I'm the same, to be honest. I'm sure it's not as complicated as it looks, but I think I'd sooner play it safe and just buy a separate stick if it was for just one other console.

I did contemplate grabbing one to replace the pcb on an old, slightly laggier stick I had when I was ordering a replacement stick, but I didn't bother in the end. I'd have to have gotten a soldering iron for the little twatty buttons, turbo and the like. Fuck it.
Saturn, Playstation (PSone Classic version on PS3 and PSP also allowed)
You can play on those too if that's any help.

I've got a new toy coming, the ls-62-01. Love the ls-40 I'm using, but I'm always happy to try something new. Gonna give that a go in my red stick.
Got the short throw mod, a replacement, heavier spring and a shaft extender (I know!) and even a bat top to try, just in case, oh and a square gate since it comes with the octagonal one by default.
50 quid. Money well spent, I think you'll agree.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 16th, 2020, 9:29 pm

Really interested to hear how you find it. I feel like I have mine locked into muscle memory but it's definitely not as tight as I initially expected. Still plenty of waggle room on the LS-32.

In other news:
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I've just spent the past hour working on a Perfect Full Chain No Miss S++ Rank on some jazzy J-pop atrocity and I'm having the time of my life.

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Ediiiitttt:

Here's the song, just seen what the lyrics mean as well.

This is instantly the most obnoxious post in this utopian dream of a thread. I don't regret a thing.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » February 16th, 2020, 10:01 pm

Looks like they know their audience - https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/9 ... LC_Bundle/

68 quid. Bargain!

edit: :lol: I mean shmup players. Just to be clear! Dear god, it's a minefield. You don't have a dog, do you?

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 16th, 2020, 10:22 pm

Haha. And in other examples of them knowing their other audience, I just unlocked the Darius ship avatar and Darius SFX when I hit a note. Playing a Darius Gaiden remix now.

Darius.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » February 18th, 2020, 4:07 pm

There you are Stanshall, might save you a few quid in the swear box - https://twitter.com/Shootaro_ketsui/sta ... 3110402049

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » February 18th, 2020, 9:55 pm

I am so close to 1cc'ing ddp, it's unreal. That's me done for tonight, but it's happening tomorrow. Mark my words.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 18th, 2020, 10:56 pm

That will be some achievement. Jia you! Looking forward to seeing the run when you're done.

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Re: Shmups

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » February 19th, 2020, 12:24 pm

After enjoying Battle Garegga so much more via the M2 STG release, I found my old Japanese PSN log-in via an old email address and readded my account so I could pick up Ketsui Deathtiny. It's so much better than the 360 version in every way. I really really love these ShotTriggers ports, they're literally a dream come true.

The Deathtiny Mode is also brilliant fun, seems easier than the Garegga Premium Arrange to me but maybe because I'm already somewhat familiar with Ketsui (the first two stages, at least!). It's probably the most fun way to play Ketsui without being any good at the game. I understand that it's really deep and complex for scoring like Garegga Premium but I'm just happy using it to learn the game and setting off the hypers to cancel bullets.

Ketsui is a good game, in short.

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