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Cave shoot 'em ups - Cane and Rinse 112

Post by JaySevenZero » January 27th, 2014, 6:05 am

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Danmaku fuss about it but we’re covering a whole load of games in this issue instead of the usual one.

This time out we turn our attentions to small but perfectly formed Japanese specialist developer Cave Co. Ltd. as Leon, Darren Forman, James and new guest contributor Simon ‘The Sonic Mole’ Cole try to express and impress why bullet hell is heaven to them.

Additional audio used in this show is as follows:

Track 1: Mad Symphony – Deathsmiles Image Song by Manabu Nakimi
Track 2: DoDonPachi Resurrection Stage 2A by Manabu Nakimi

Cane and Rinse 112 was edited by Sean O'Brien.

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Re: Cave shoot 'em ups - Cane and Rinse 112

Post by Simonsloth » November 21st, 2018, 2:26 pm

I know this forum is a hotbed of Cave Shooter aficionados so to satisfy my curiosity I would love some advice about where to start.

This is probably a question that has been asked before but I was hoping to work chronologically through some of the back catalogue available to me using the consoles I own.

PS4/ps3/360/Wii/wiiU/switch/ps2/psone/snesmini/PC

I appreciate many of you will own hard to obtain originals but a little advice about where would be a sensible point to start. I kind of want to start with the earliest title and work my way through but if logistics including cost and rarity are a barrier then I will have to curb my ambition a little.

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Re: Cave shoot 'em ups - Cane and Rinse 112

Post by KSubzero1000 » November 21st, 2018, 2:41 pm

CAVE shooters have been conspicuously absent from the current generation's lineup. I don't think you can play a single one of them on PS4 for example, although maybe one of the local experts can correct me on that.

The Xbox 360 would probably be the best place to start, because that's the platform where most of the studio's classics were released. If you can deal with the controller's deadzones and the wear and tear of the sticks, that is. Most of the 360 titles are Japan-only but playable on european hardware, as opposed to PS2 titles that would run into compatibility problems. See this chart for more details. DoDonPachi Resurrection is one of the few that has been released over here, and is fairly affordable on the second-hand market, so perhaps that would be a decent place to start? I haven't played it, mind you.

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Re: Cave shoot 'em ups - Cane and Rinse 112

Post by Stanshall » November 21st, 2018, 6:34 pm

Simonsloth wrote:
November 21st, 2018, 2:26 pm
I know this forum is a hotbed of Cave Shooter aficionados so to satisfy my curiosity I would love some advice about where to start.
Real talk, I would just use Retroarch or FBAlpha and emulate in the first instance. You will be able to play:

Dodonpachi (amazing all-timer)

Dodonpachi DaiOuJou (double amazing all-timer, almost my absolute favourite)

Ketsui (metal as fuck amazing all-timer)

Dangun Feveron (good, weird disco themed shmup - also available on Japanese PSN for PS4 but pretty expensive and not as good as the above)

Guwange (good, weird Japanese Warring States-era shmup with a unique control scheme - also available on 360 BC in the UK, worth a go)

Progear (err, dunno, played it but can't remember)

Of the above, DaiOuJou is comfortably my favourite and it runs great emulated through FBAlpha even on my dogshit laptop. Beyond these games, it's kind of hard to emulate what came next.

However, there are good (enough for me) Steam versions of:

Mushihimesama (mind-boggling bug-themed ultimate bullet hell danmaku orgy start mad chanting and making sacrifices to the dark Lord of all things shmup amazing yaassss let's fuckin do thisssss)

Deathsmiles (a rare but brilliant horizontal Cave shmup - awesome gameplay but the teenage girl character imagery is pretty unsavoury, and that's being generous, but it runs great, it's fun and it's very accessible and has a unique Halloween art style).

I believe that the latter two are best available on the 360 but only via Japanese import. I didn't know they'd run on an EU 360 til KSub said above but I never owned one. I recently looked into a Japanese one for this very purpose but a little too expensive.

Dodonpachi Resurrection/Daifukkatsu is also available on Steam but there's something kind of off about it to my tastes, I don't know why. It feels imbalanced, basically. Rather inaccessible and quite joyless, for my very specific tastes.

I've never played Dodonpachi SaiDaiOuJou.

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Re: Cave shoot 'em ups - Cane and Rinse 112

Post by Simonsloth » November 23rd, 2018, 2:39 am

Thank you so much for this. I’ve now got some great starting points and I’ll let you know how I get on.

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