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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 12th, 2019, 9:17 pm

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I wanna sex you up!
Died shortly afterwards. OK, Derek, you can release Spelunky 2 now, I'm ready.

That'll be the last spelunky post in the shmup thread. I think we all know who's fault it really was.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Chopper » May 13th, 2019, 4:35 am

I take full responsibility (I don't). Congrats, hope it was fun and rewarding (that sounds sarky but isn't)!

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » May 13th, 2019, 6:43 am

Fair play Clippa, you're obviously a rather competent and/or stubborn gamer! Spelunky is nails - I feel like I need to go back to it some day.

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Re: Shmups

Post by hazeredmist » May 13th, 2019, 8:47 pm

Started Bio Hazard Battle on the Megadrive Classics compilation on Switch, after choosing it for a retro game score challenge I’m in. Feels very unforgiving / tough so far! Seems to be a running theme with this sort of game. Oh well - I’d best man up... Practice may make mediocre yet.

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Re: Shmups

Post by ratsoalbion » May 13th, 2019, 8:58 pm

The original Japanese name for the game is simply 'Crying'.
You might see why..!

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 13th, 2019, 9:51 pm

Chopper wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 4:35 am
I take full responsibility (I don't).
Oh, come on! I can't remember the exact words but it was something like "You tend to swan around like a big action man, but, like the doll, you don't appear to have any genitalia to speak of, why is this? Genuinely interested, if it's not too rude to ask. Were you born like that? Did you spill hot quiche in your lap at a coffee morning?"

Pretty sure there'll be no more doubt as to who is king spelunker around these parts.

Hazeredmist, I've never been called competent before in my life. I don't know whether to put that on my CV or save it for the gravestone.
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So Narzod is good too, you say? Isn't that the one with the ricocheting bullets?
Sorry, I read this and put off responding and then forgot.
Well, I don't know what the general consensus is, but I liked it as a nipper. Yeah, the rebounding bullets one where you're shooting up a sort of zig zag bowling alley. Star Trek was fun too, I used to like that, more of a first person thing though.

Risk System coming out soon (like 8 hours soon)
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I can remember playing an early, unoptimised alpha of this and it ran like a dog so it was hard to judge.



There's also Neptunia Shooter coming on the 21st
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Which looks like it could go either way. Extremely low effort or a meaty game hiding behind lo-fi presentation?


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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » May 14th, 2019, 5:35 am

I am still playing Mushihimesama Futari Black Label when I get the chance, pretty busy at the mo.

Yesterday evening I got to Larsa having no missed the first four stages and only used two bombs and a fucking wasp flew in the window. I'm not kidding. It was like the spirit of Hibachi, the last boss from Dodonpachi, had come to protect the portly Queen! Hahaha. I'd like to say I kept pretty calm and bombed my way to victory but I actually shat myself and jumped out of my chair and YOU DIED. Honestly, although I'm being very good natured about it this morning with the jovial Hibachi reference, there is a part of me which is gone forever.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » May 14th, 2019, 2:12 pm

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April 8th, 2019, 1:17 pm
I think I'll pass on Dodonpachi for now. Thanks for the heads-up.
Quick follow-up: I bought the disc version (Resurrection) on 360 after all. With a nice, thick, old-school instruction booklet printed in color. Worth the price of admission alone, Rising Star are absolute heroes. I think there is a Black Label DLC as well, would I get all of the extra content by purchasing it?

Anyway, I have other things on my plate at the moment, so it'll probably be a while before I can really sink my teeth into this one, but I booted it up real quick and... holy water lily it's sooooo smooth. :o

I also impulse bought Caladrius Blaze in the PSN sale. I feel vaguely guilty about it but that 85% price reduction was too hard to resist. I'll have a go at it one of these days and if it's too overbearing I can always uninstall it.


...And apparently Battle Garegga Rev.2016 came out worldwide on XBO but only in Japan and NA on PS4? What a troll. :|

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » May 14th, 2019, 3:05 pm

KSubzero1000 wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 2:12 pm
KSubzero1000 wrote:
April 8th, 2019, 1:17 pm
I think I'll pass on Dodonpachi for now. Thanks for the heads-up.
Quick follow-up: I bought the disc version (Resurrection) on 360 after all. With a nice, thick, old-school instruction booklet printed in color. Worth the price of admission alone, Rising Star are absolute heroes. I think there is a Black Label DLC as well, would I get all of the extra content by purchasing it?
Nice one! I think it's a fantastic game and considering it's a later Cave effort, they really managed to capture that distinctive Dodonpachi feel with the patterns. It feels very familiar if you've played much of the original Dodonpachi or DaiOuJou. To me, it also feels really accessible, straightforward and simply fun to play. There's no gimmickry, just well designed, distinct levels, some challenging patterns and loads and loads of opportunities to shred medals and cancel bullets and watch the combo meter rocket.

Unfortunately, the Black Label DLC has been delisted, at least on the UK marketplace. Fingers crossed it's still accessible in Germany but I suspect not. Having given the BL a couple of hours through my 'import copy', though, I would say that the 1.5 version is arguably more enjoyable, for my skill level/taste. The BL is very chaotic and flashy but it feels very hard from the start whereas 1.5 doesn't get too tough until around the Stage 3 boss. The DLC is definitely for someone who's mastered the base game.

I genuinely laughed at the Caladrius purchase given our chat about Shikhondo and that kind of thing! The 'Shame Breaks' are...Well, I look forward to hearing what you have to say about the 'Shame Breaks'...You can turn off pretty much all of that stuff, though, and concentrate on the gameplay which is...decent enough.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 14th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Stanshall wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 5:35 am
It was like the spirit of Hibachi
Haha! My sister is ruthless, we were cooking tea the other day and one came in to see what we were doing and she shat it. I'm a bit braver when other people are scared so I tried to shoo it out but she wanted to put chemicals in it's eyes, said that it would just come back in if we put it outside.

I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, but still, that's bad karma, maaaan.
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I also impulse bought Caladrius Blaze
I remember you needing your smelling salts after shikhondo and I don't know if I've become desensitised to it all, but I had to think back and wrack my brains as to what might have been problematic in that game.
I kid ye not, there's a "shame break" system in this game where you humiliate the bosses by tearing their clothes off. Good luck with that.
You can turn it off. Game is bastard hard mind, and needlessly complicated I'd say with all the different shots and stuff, some people really like it though, never been a fan of MOSS's output myself.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » May 14th, 2019, 3:53 pm

Stanshall wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 3:05 pm
Unfortunately, the Black Label DLC has been delisted, at least on the UK marketplace. Fingers crossed it's still accessible in Germany but I suspect not.
I had a look, and... I honestly don't know if it's delisted or not. I can see both DLC packs (1.5 for €1, BL for €9,50), but I get a system error message whenever I select either one. If you wouldn't mind checking, can you see any of them on the UK 360 marketplace or are they just completely absent?

If they're still visible on my end, perhaps there is a workaround?

It's really fucked up if it turns out that they are still listing content that nobody can actually purchase. Someone could have easily decided to buy some MS points just for that. But hey, "digital future".

Stanshall wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 3:05 pm
I genuinely laughed at the Caladrius purchase given our chat about Shikhondo and that kind of thing! The 'Shame Breaks' are...Well, I look forward to hearing what you have to say about the 'Shame Breaks'...You can turn off pretty much all of that stuff, though, and concentrate on the gameplay which is...decent enough.
I actually looked up one of your old posts from last year about this game and hesitated for about 10 minutes before buying it! But I was willing to roll the dice for €4. The price of my dignity, I guess... :lol:

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 14th, 2019, 4:19 pm

Sorry, owly, I was cringing pretty hard the other night when the penny finally dropped and I realised why you were being a bit short with me.
There were lots of people just getting into the genre and when my brain was tidying up, I've just gone and stuck you in the box with them.
Won't happen again!

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » May 14th, 2019, 5:14 pm

KSubzero1000 wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 3:53 pm
I had a look, and... I honestly don't know if it's delisted or not. I can see both DLC packs (1.5 for €1, BL for €9,50), but I get a system error message whenever I select either one.
Sorry, mate. That's the exact same situation as the UK marketplace :(

I did a fair bit of research and there's no workaround, unfortunately. Both the game and the DLC are apparently available digitally on the PAL store (only!) but in practice, they've been delisted. I saw someone contacted Rising Star (I think) and got a reply saying that MS should have removed it but just haven't got round to it.

To bring some comfort, when I said the 1.5 version was better, I just meant whatever the base disc version is.

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Re: Shmups

Post by KSubzero1000 » May 14th, 2019, 5:26 pm

clippa wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 4:19 pm
Sorry, owly, I was cringing pretty hard the other night when the penny finally dropped and I realised why you were being a bit short with me.
There were lots of people just getting into the genre and when my brain was tidying up, I've just gone and stuck you in the box with them.
Won't happen again!
No harm done! To be fair, I am fairly new to bullet hell and there is still a lot I don't know or haven't played in the genre. Any and all tips, suggestions and recommendations welcome! :)

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Sorry, mate. That's the exact same situation as the UK marketplace :(
Well, that's disappointing. I guess I'll have to make do with the base version. I knew that shmups were getting a rough deal in terms of availability here in the West, so hiccups like this one are bound to happen.

If I ever feel like spending money on another Cave shooter any time soon, I can always go for the physical version of Akai Katana instead. That way my DoDonPachi can have some company on the shelf!


PS: digital distribution *mumble mumble* arcade cabinet *mumble mumble* kids these days *mumble*

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 14th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Akai Katana is a good shout. One of caves easier 1cc's. You'll finish it quite easily but then once you start playing for score, you'll never finish it again! They're doing a "what's the most underrated cave game" on the shmups forum at the minute and that ones winning so far - https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64555

Really enjoyed my time playing that. You can run it in mame but it's worth grabbing the 360 version for the lovely near 16:9 tart up and the arrange mode and stuff.
I was hoping they'd bring the 360 version to pc but I think cave weren't making enough money to justify the effort with those ports so just knocked it on the head.

Muchi muchi pork is the bomb! I had no idea most people didn't rate that one.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 14th, 2019, 7:27 pm

clippa wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 9:51 pm
Risk System
Ooft, I thought I'd best "try before I buy" this one in case I couldn't handle all the flashing and the shaking, but the movement controls are just terrible, some of the worst inertia I've ever seen. a total none starter. Well, it'll save a few headaches I suppose.

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Re: Shmups

Post by Stanshall » May 14th, 2019, 8:01 pm

@KSub

Akai Katana is good, I probably need to spend more time with it, though. It's the least played Cave game I own. I'm sure Dodonpachi Resurrection will give you plenty to get stuck into. My only tip to get started is to choose Strong Style when you select your ship. Great set up for survival play.

@clippa

I really really love Muchi Muchi Pork. It's all so chunky and stout. Rushing to get your bonus up and then triggering loads of big fat gold cuboids with your lard attack and hoovering them all up. It's magnificently gluttonous.

Interesting poll at the shmups forum, too. I'd say MMP or DDP Resurrection would both be good picks.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 14th, 2019, 8:29 pm

Yaaas, beat my score in Jet Buster. It's not shmup weather but I thought I may as well play something since I had my stick all plugged in for risk system.

Fresh legs does it again! (moonwalks out of thread)

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 14th, 2019, 10:58 pm

They were asking folk on twitter which platform they'd prefer to play R-Type 2 on.
Interesting to see the differences between the Japanese and English results and also the vote count.

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Re: Shmups

Post by clippa » May 14th, 2019, 11:45 pm

Stanshall wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 8:01 pm
I'm sure Dodonpachi Resurrection will give you plenty to get stuck into. My only tip to get started is to choose Strong Style when you select your ship. Great set up for survival play.
Yeah man, stronk or bust, good luck getting through it with with any other style.
I found my highscore for that the other day if you want something to aim for.

I was experimenting with tate at the time, my conclusion? My 27" monitor is plenty big enough and my hovel tiny enough for it not to be worth bothering fannying about with.

One day I'll live in a mansion, I'll be sat at the end of a 100ft room with a big 1,000" telly balanced against the opposite wall, then you'll all learn.

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